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[mariab]

Hello Fiona,
Thank you so much for the information on the William Morris diaries. Might I inquire if you're a historian specialized in the arts? (I know there must be a name for such a field, but I can't come up with it, many apologies).

Fi Saint wrote:
I gather he was a bit of a b*****d
I guess that stands for “basta*d“ and not “bugger*d“. ;-) Whom were you referring to? Because, to my knowledge, neither Karl Marx nor William Morris were “illegitime“ (for lack of a better word)...

Lynn,
the printouts of the spy reports from the Archives Nationales turned up today. There are a couple more from the ones I've posted here, but nothing terribly relevant. And as mentioned before, I forgot to order or shoot the other report mentioning Schwartz no-first-name as a skilled anarchist orator in Yiddish, Polish, and Hungarian, but I'll take care of this in March.

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Fiona. Indeed. Poison it was.

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

A broken heart !! She poisoned herself. Poignant, since she translated Madame Bovary.

[lynn cates]

cause of death

Hello Fiona. Indeed. Many of the socialist and anarchist chaps were self-made people (heh-heh).

Do you recall how Karl's daughter died--I mean cause of death?

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

I gather he was a bit of a b*****d

[lynn cates]

Em-a

Hello Fiona and Maria. Do either of you know the story of how Ms. Marx-Aveling died?

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

Hi Lynn and Maria,

Sorry if that was confusing Maria, I should have made that clear. Yes I have seen Lynn's earlier posts but I can't claim any brownie points as practically all the info comes from the William Morris diaries, on www.Marxists. org.

What I love is how these signatures bring history to life; imagining who came with who, for instance the first two to arrive were obviously the Avelings. I wonder who the two really illegible scrawls belong to, eighth on the Committee side and seventh on the Visitors. It's interesting that these two rather manic scrawls are so similar to each other. It would be fascinating to identify them.

Fi

[lynn cates]

extra list

Hello Maria. No, not stupid. There is a second list--it's too big to upload.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello Lynn.
I'm probably being stupid, but I still don't get it. Did you and Fiona quote different sources for the meetings of the Socialist League in 1886?

[lynn cates]

supplement

Hello Maria. This is Fiona's supplement. (I can't read some of those horrible signatures--they look like mine heh-heh.)

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Hello Fiona.
I assume you've seen Lynn Cates' posts #27 and #28 on this thread.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Fiona. Thanks for this.

Cheers.
LC

[Fi Saint]

Hi everyone,

Regarding Jacob and name changes with deep significance, has anyone read my first article about Gauguin last May, in Rip 114?

In the interest of research, here is a suggested annotated list of signators (is that the word?) at meetings of the Socialist League 1886, posted earlier on this thread.


1
COUNCIL:
Edward Aveling
William Morris
F Lepnen ?
Liebsonkind ?
Joseph Lane
Ernest Belfort Bax
?? Arnold
Ch-terdory ?
Thomas E. Wardle (cabinet maker, not to be confused with Thomas Wardle)
Sam Mainwaring
H. A. Barker (crossed out) (parliamentarian, Hoxton branch; SL secretary ‘87-88. Spoke on ‘socialism and dynamite’ in 86)
Philip Webb
May Morris
Charles Mowbray
Donald (Alexander Karley Donald MA) (Scottish barrister; left in 1888 to join LEP. Parliamentarian. Morris later identified Mahon and ‘that pig of a Donald’ as the root of a great deal of trouble within the SL)
Edward Gray
? Barnes ?

VISITORS
Eleanor Marx Aveling
G/C Verink ?
J. L. Joyner ?
G. J. Hutey ?
Herbert Burton?
Thomas Wardle (founder of Wardle & Co. silkworks with Morris)
? ?
A. Thorrington (Croydon)
Colgard ?
A.G. Newen ? (Croydon)
H. Carver ?
M. Lockheim ?
William Wess
I. Herman
James Allman (Mile End branch, arrested 85 at Dad St, in 86 for speaking and again in 87. Elected to SL council 87. in 86 a 21 yr old tailor’s presser, unemployed in 88)
H.A.Barker (see council)
I. Hodder
A. Benson ?
? ?.Barker (Barker above)
Donald (crossed out, see above)
Victor Dave (it was at the SL meeting of May 10 1886 that Reuss was voted out)
William Taylor
? Gahound
W Bannister

2
COUNCIL:
Thomas Binning (a parliamentarian)
H.A.Barker
W Knight
John Lincoln Mahon (had been successful organizer of miners in Midlands; left SL in 88 to form Labour Union; formerly anti-parl, became parliamentarian)
Belfort Bax
May Morris
William Morris
Sam Mainwaring
Thomas E. Wardle
Henry Charles
Lena Wardle (Thomas Wardle’s wife)
Charles (Fred Charles?)
Philip Webb (architect, lifelong friend of Morris)
H Graham
Joseph Lane

VISITORS
Annie Taylor
J.? Mainwaring
D.G. & M Nicoll (~David Nicholl ?)
G.J. Hutey ?
? Isaacs
A Dawes
I Sturgess
H Parr
G.G. Schark
Emily Walker
? Blundell
Herbert Barton?
G Williams
Thomas Cantwell
I Watson
Thomas Cooper
Thomas J. Dalgliesh ?
? Graham
C. Berinth ?
James Allman
H. Bucknell
A. Thorrington
B. Somerville

[mariab]

OK, but this was clearly another person. Back to my email.

[lynn cates]

Rip

Hello Maria. Well, he died there, at any rate.

Cheers.
LC