Unknown U.S Body

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Hi Sara.

Very kind of you to say.

Corey.

Not much is known about this murder, as I stated. The victim was a small woman about 45 years old who was presumed to be a prostitute, why isn’t explained. She was found floating in the East River near Market Street (a block north from Catherine Slip. The East River Hotel where Carrie Brown was murdered was at Catherine Slip and Water Street). There was a rope tied around her waist and an empty loop at the other end where a weight had been tied. She had been in the water only about a day, so the weight must have come off and the body quickly floated to the surface.

The woman had been beaten about the left side of her face and head with her face bruised and her lower lip badly cut. She had worn a denture plate with a full set of upper teeth. This was damaged and several of the front teeth were broken off and missing.

It seems obvious that the woman was beaten to death and then, in an effort to hide the body, she was weighted and thrown in the river. Probably if she hadn’t been found so close to the scene of the Brown murder no one would have ever connected her with Jack the Ripper or have actually used the word “mutilated” to describe her injuries.

Wolf.

[corey123]

Hi Celesta,

Another mistake on Mr. Norris's behalf perhaps? I know, at least one thing I learned on that show is of the murder of the woman found on Aug 3rd.

Again, I would like to find out more. Wolf, do you know much of this case?

I am not into the particulars, just the extent of her injuries, if you know them?

Thanks in advance.

[Celesta]

I often see something the second time that I didn't catch the first time.

[SaraCarter33]

Hi Celesta.

Yes, they interviewed me and took my research but not my opinions. In the end, though, I think I dodged a bullet when they decided not to have me appear on the show. One thing I don't know, however, is if they ever credited me for my help since I still haven't seen the show.

Wolf.

Mr Vanderlinden it is an honor, and a privilage to be in the presence of a ripper historian, who is an expert on JTR.


I watched it once i'm not about to watch it again, i was gonna quit watching it the first time but i tried giving it a chance.

[Garry Wroe]

Absolutely, Corey. The killer's 'likeness', too, seems to have been plucked from fantasy land.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[corey123]

Hi Gary

I wouldn't want him working for me, NYPD must see something I don't.

[Garry Wroe]

The investigator was cold-case detective Ed Norris. As for the documentary, it was scatology of a magnitude that has only been matched in recent years by Vic Reeves.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[Celesta]

Hi Wolf, I don't know. I usually try to watch the credits for familiar names. Sometimes they don't do the credits properly, running them by quickly, or running a commercial and not showing them at all. I know if I had seen your name I would've remembered. I remember telling my husband about you while the thing was running. I'll keep an eye out for the show. Maybe there's a way to find out online somewhere. Maybe the website for History or Discover would have that information. It's highly unprofessional not to express thanks.

Cel

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Hi Celesta.

Yes, they interviewed me and took my research but not my opinions. In the end, though, I think I dodged a bullet when they decided not to have me appear on the show. One thing I don't know, however, is if they ever credited me for my help since I still haven't seen the show.

Wolf.

[Celesta]

Wolf and Tim, Thank you for your responses here. Wolf, I remember the thread. It mentions how they were consulted you then didn't seem to not want to take your advice, or something to that effect. Too bad they didn't because they don't seem to have gotten a lot of respect for the documentary.

Best,

Cel

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Back in November I listed some of the errors that appeared in the documentary in question. One of the things I posted was this:

(According to the documentary) "The body of another woman, murdered and mutilated, was pulled from the East River on the '7th of August, 1891.'
Actually it was the 3rd of August, 1891, and the reason why the documentary didn’t mention the name of this supposed Ripper victim is that there is very little information about this murder. The victim was small, about 45 years old and had been badly beaten about the left side of her face. The body was then tied with a rope to a rock or some other weight and then dumped in the East River. This was not a Ripper, or even a Ripper-like murder."

The body which Tim has posted on is of another woman.

There was a half hearted attempt to link this East River victim and the Whitechapel murders, through the Carrie Brown murder, back in 1891 when newspapers described the wounds to the victim's face as "mutilations" and apparently one newspaper asked "Is It Jack's Work?" This was picked up by Michael Conlon in his articles A Tale Of Two "Frenchys," Ripperana No. 34, October, 2000, and The Ripper In America, Ripperologist, No. 38, December, 2001, both of which aren't worth the paper their printed on.

Wolf.

[timothy]

While it does not seem to have been a widely publicized event, a woman's body was pulled from the Hudson on August 7, 1891. However, I have seen no indication that anyone linked it to the Whitechapel murders. The attached article from the Baltimore Sun is typical.

Best,

Tim Riordan

[m rowley]

Hi Corey, i don't recall to much of it as it was clearly unfit to be broadcast and lost intrest half way through. I've always had an intrest in the case of the Whitechappel Murders but i'd never claim or even have the intelligence to know nearly half as much as some of the members on this site.

It does annoy me when people manipulate facts just to get in their own theory...this programme was a prime example.

[SaraCarter33]

I watched that doc and it highly annoyed me to no end, the dude just ticked me off to no end.

[corey123]

Hi M Rowley,

No, not at all. Yes, the victim was killed in the east river hotel, her name was Carrie Brown. Did you happen to see how many mistakes this "detective" made? More than I can count . Also, just for reference, none of the original murder sites exist, besides Mitre Square but it is a long way aways from its 19th century counterpart.