Having trouble rewriting my George Hutchinson scene...

[DarkTaleProductions]

I found the perfect Bar for the scene yesterday and want to rewrite it.

Anyone have any suggestions...

Their meeting takes place in a Bar rather then outside. The reason being is to kill two birds with one stone. Depict Kelly's alcoholic habits and meeting with Hutchinson.

[DVV]

Hi DTP,

Hutch was to spend this cold night in the streets.
Since they meet in a Pub in your scenario, perhaps Hutch should ask Kelly permission to sleep with her.
Mary have to refuse, of course - and then you have to imagine the reason she gives him.

Amitiés,
David

[DarkTaleProductions]

Hey David,

The way I have it now is that he has no money but wants to sleep with her. She then seeks other customers since he has no money and meets up with the Man Hutchinson describes in his testimony.

But I'm just not sure of the dialogue.

[Adam Went]

Or you could have Mary in the pub being roughed up a bit by a scraggly bloke and then Hutchinson comes in and gets stuck into the bloke....the old "pub fight" scene always works....

Then you could have Mary asking Hutchinson for the loan of the money, Hutchinson not having any, and then him watching her take off with another bloke....

Or something like that?

Cheers,
Adam.

[DarkTaleProductions]

Sounds good, but we only have 3 hours to film the scene in the Bar.

[The Grave Maurice]

Why not have Hutch and Astrakhan at opposite ends of the bar before Mary enters. Mary enters and asks Hutch for sixpence with the obvious intention of buying herself a drink. Hutch says he's just spent the last of his money on a pint and his trip to Romford. Mary proceeds down the bar, chatting up the clientele, comes to Astrakhan, and then play the scene we all know from their encounter on Commercial Street.

[Adam Went]

I'm sorry if you've mentioned this elsewhere, but out of curiousity, can you say who some of the actors are who will be playing these characters? Particularly Mary Kelly?

Cheers,
Adam.

[Bob Hinton]

Shelter not sex.

I think you need to emphasise that just because Hutchinson wanted to sleep with Kelly, didn’t necessarily mean he wanted to have sex with her. He might just have wanted to have a place to sleep.

I recall an incident many years ago where things went suddenly tits up and a certain person had to get off the streets quickly. He spent the night with a Chinese prostitute sharing the same bed, but it was purely and simply a refuge and nothing else.

[belinda]

You could have Hutchinson and Mary discussing their woes over a drink.He starts to hint that maybe they could be more than friends.Mary smiles ruefully and shakes her head. You could then have her meet up with Astrakhan Man as she leaves the Pub.

Maybe have Hutchinson follow them out.

Good Luck

[DarkTaleProductions]

I was going to have Hutchinson follow her to her place, but it wasn't relevant to the story so I took it out.

And Adam, here http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4223

But I'm replacing Joseph Barnett due to scheduling conflicts so he's not the man playing Barnett anymore.

[DarkTaleProductions]

I've finished my rewrite, hopefully it turns out well lol

[tnb]

so are you having astrakhan man involved in the pub scene as well? If you are, something like adam suggested, then I think that's actually a pretty clever angle. A lot of people disregard Hutchison's 'sighting' as the detail is not consistent with a relatively brief glimpse in a dark street, but if he had actually seen him before that it raises all sorts of possibilities. Of course that means he has lied (or at least left something out) in his police statement (in having 'just' come back from Romford, as well) so you may want to consider why he would do that.

I am not one of those who will get annoyed at such new angles, but there will be some - with the greatest of respect just ignore them. There are so many gigantic holes between the known events in this case that frankly anything you write could be just as true as anything else (although if Prince Eddie is at the back of the pub with his arm round Monty Druitt I may reconsider!)

One thing though- if Hutch has no money how is he financing himself in the pub? It was different for women but I can't see too many people lining up to buy GH adrink?

[Vanillaman]

I'm not sure if you've found your locations yet, but back in 2002, I made a film in an ideal location where you may find just what you need. Its in Manchester, towards Ancoats. I found an old Victorian police station there, first opened in 1879 and closed in 1958. Beyond it, there are the old Victorian mills and cobbled streets, with an old pub on the corner of a street. Let me know if you need any more info?

[DarkTaleProductions]

Vanillaman, I got my location but thanks, seems like a good location.

tnb, no Prince Eddy in this film, lol.

Hutchinson doesn't have money, he's in the bar for another reason, in my film.