Leather Apron

[Steven Russell]

doris,
Interesting connection between Thick and Mc.Carthy. I'd never come across that before so thanks for pointing it out. Have you any other reasons for believing Thick to be "dodgy"?

Best wishes and thanks for joining the thread,

Steve.

[Steven Russell]

Voices

tnb,
I totally agree with you about Martin Fido's voice. On that subject, have you heard Leonard Nimoy on "In Search of... JTR?" It's available on the net. His commentary manages to elevate an otherwise mediocre show to great heights. The programme also contains interviews with a very youthful Don Rumbelow, and Stephen Knight. I'd never seen him (Knight) before so, for me, it was worth it for that.

Sorry that this has nothing to do with serious study of the actual case and apologies to other threaders (?) but if you can ignore the overly melodramatic, synthesised music, Nimoy's commentary is beautifully sonorous.

Regards,

Steve.

[YankeeSergeant]

John Pizer

Several years ago, while researching my as yet incomplete novel about Jackl the Ripper, I received an email from Isaac Pizer who is a great great grandson or nephew (i forget which as I lost the email when my old computer went belly up). He stated in no uncertain terms that Pizer was not known as "Leather Apron" and that he had never been known as "Leather Apron". Obviously if I was Pizer's descendent I don't know that I would be crazy about him being a pseudo-suspect inthe killings and might deny he was called "leather Apron" too. But Isenschmidt is also refered to as "Leather Apron" and it is possible to my mind that Pizer and his family may well be correct and that Thicke confused Pizer and Isenschmidt. Neil

[lynn cates]

leather apron

Hello Yankee.

"Isenschmidt is also refer[r]ed to as "Leather Apron""

I think you are absolutely correct here--Isenschmid at one point admitted this.

If one wishes to know the identity of the REAL "Leather Apron" one must be aware that the press cuttings noted that his peculiar characteristic was his odd walk. Now, compare that to Mrs. Fiddymont and her friends' sighting at the pub and you may just have your man.

Who was that man? Well, compare his physical description to Isenschmid's, then look at his photograph.

Cheers.
LC

[YankeeSergeant]

Hi Lynn, I took my information abouit Isenschmidt from the Ultimate Jack the Ripper Companion by Stewart P. Evans and Keith Skinner. and of course, in the course of my research came across Isaac Pizer who graciously offerd his thoughts. It is an intriguing area of research. Neil

[lynn cates]

Isenschmid

Hello Yankee. Here is a link to Chris Scott's transcription of the Isenschmid records. Interesting reading.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4590

Cheers.
LC

[YankeeSergeant]

Intersting

Hello Yankee. Here is a link to Chris Scott's transcription of the Isenschmid records. Interesting reading.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4590

Cheers.
LC

Thanks Lynn, It's quite intersting and makes me wonder why dear old Jacob wasn't on the list of suspects. neil

[lynn cates]

theory

Hello Yankee.

"It's quite inter[e]sting and makes me wonder why dear old Jacob wasn't on the list of suspects."

No mystery there. Look at Professor Sugden in his book. He dismisses Isenschmid simply because it just HAS to be that 1 person killed ALL 5 ladies. What a theory! It tends to kill thinking.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hello Yankee.

"It's quite inter[e]sting and makes me wonder why dear old Jacob wasn't on the list of suspects."

No mystery there. Look at Professor Sugden in his book. He dismisses Isenschmid simply because it just HAS to be that 1 person killed ALL 5 ladies. What a theory! It tends to kill thinking.

Cheers.
LC

Do you disagree that whoever killed Eddowes most likely killed Chapman and Nichols?

[lynn cates]

respondeo quod

Hello Jason. I most wholeheartedly disagree. If you look closely at everything in Isenschmid's record--including, and especially, the minutiae--you should have this inescapable notion that Isenschmid killed both Polly and Annie.

And, although Kate's death was made superficially to resemble the first 2 (and hence to implicate "a Jew/Socialist"--look, for example, at the clipping in my "Kaufmann" thread about "Socialists in Russia" where the nose and ears were removed), yet, however, there are subtle differences.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Several years ago, while researching my as yet incomplete novel about Jackl the Ripper, I received an email from Isaac Pizer who is a great great grandson or nephew (i forget which as I lost the email when my old computer went belly up). He stated in no uncertain terms that Pizer was not known as "Leather Apron" and that he had never been known as "Leather Apron". Obviously if I was Pizer's descendent I don't know that I would be crazy about him being a pseudo-suspect inthe killings and might deny he was called "leather Apron" too. But Isenschmidt is also refered to as "Leather Apron" and it is possible to my mind that Pizer and his family may well be correct and that Thicke confused Pizer and Isenschmidt. Neil

Come to think of it I suppose once the name became well known, many people will have been referred to as LA either as a joke, an insult, or a result of genuine suspicion.

We, of course, are interested in the original - assuming he existed and wasn't just some invented begeyman character. We know cobblers wore leather aprons but who else did? I would think butchers would have been wise to but did they?

Best wishes,
Steve

[lynn cates]

LA

Hello Steven. Who else wore leather aprons? Well, the Richardson boy apparently. I take it that such paraphenalia was not uncommon.

Cheers.
LC

[Steven Russell]

Hello Steven. Who else wore leather aprons? Well, the Richardson boy apparently. I take it that such paraphenalia was not uncommon.

Cheers.
LC

True, but I bet it was not inexpensive either, so anyone who possessed a leather apron probably needed it for his trade. I think it would be helpful to establish just which tradesmen would have been likely to possess a leather apron in 1888.

Regards,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

good idea

Hello Steven. That's a VERY good idea. Sounds like a job for Neil and Rob. Heck, they likely already know.

Cheers.
LC

[The Grave Maurice]

Who else wore leather aprons?

To start, I'd say carpenters, coopers, machinists, farriers, and blacksmiths.