Hanbury St. escape route.........?

[Gman992]

Didn't they find a blood trail that led over the fence and into the house next door? Wasn't that just like 29 Hanbury---a lodging house with a hallway that leads to open door into the street? Again, he probably wasn't doused in blood--and any blood on him--he could just explain as coming home from work from a slaughterhouse.


Most of the victims died from stangulation...Most likely, he chocked them from behind, then lowered them to the ground, and took out his knife. that' s why they weren't crying bloody murder when he was gutting them. they were dead already.

[doris]

Didn't they find a blood trail that led over the fence and into the house next door? Wasn't that just like 29 Hanbury---a lodging house with a hallway that leads to open door into the street? Again, he probably wasn't doused in blood--and any blood on him--he could just explain as coming home from work from a slaughterhouse.


Most of the victims died from stangulation...Most likely, he chocked them from behind, then lowered them to the ground, and took out his knife. that' s why they weren't crying bloody murder when he was gutting them. they were dead already.

I think the blood trail of which you speak turned out to be urine.

[Hunter]

Just my two cents worth.

First, Doris is right. There was some arterial spray on the fence from the throat injury- that was it.

As far as the peelers were concerned, there were beat cops, who patroled a certain network of streets and there were policemen on point duty. The notification of policemen after the Stride murder exemplifies this perfectly. Not all policemen carried watches, but were well acquainted with the timeline of their beats to be able to guess their particular times at a given location with reasonable accuracy. A ripper dressed as a policeman, especially after the series was underway, would be an extreme liability for obvious reasons.

As to the murder locations themselves? To me this points to a person who was not cunning at all, but rather impulsive and extremely lucky. He may have waited until his victim took him to a semi secluded spot, which was what these women did, but beyond that, the fact that the location may eventually present a problem, didn't enter his mind. This is likely because all of the outdoor murders were discovered fairly quickly, and two, those of Nichols and Stride, may have found him interrupted in his task.

It can be argued that the fact that Kelly had her own room was just fortuitous on his part, or her murder was planned in more detail after the results of the other murders. If we go by the pattern established, then he was just lucky that he found Kelly with her own room, and was able to take full advantage of that after he realized his good fortune. It could be that he adjusted his tactics and sought a different venue to fulfill his fantasies. Maybe, but if we consider the victimology, which were the easiest of targets and the fact that the murder sites really don't make sense for the risks involved, and the obvious locality of the crimes, then we come away with a local bloke that looked like most anyone, with an impulsive derangement, who was very lucky. If the series had continued, he probably would have been caught- even with the limitations that law enforcement at that time had to work with.

[doris]

Just my two cents worth.

First, Doris is right. There was some arterial spray on the fence from the throat injury- that was it.

As far as the peelers were concerned, there were beat cops, who patroled a certain network of streets and there were policemen on point duty. The notification of policemen after the Stride murder exemplifies this perfectly. Not all policemen carried watches, but were well acquainted with the timeline of their beats to be able to guess their particular times at a given location with reasonable accuracy. A ripper dressed as a policeman, especially after the series was underway, would be an extreme liability for obvious reasons.

As to the murder locations themselves? To me this points to a person who was not cunning at all, but rather impulsive and extremely lucky. He may have waited until his victim took him to a semi secluded spot, which was what these women did, but beyond that, the fact that the location may eventually present a problem, didn't enter his mind. This is likely because all of the outdoor murders were discovered fairly quickly, and two, those of Nichols and Stride, may have found him interrupted in his task.

It can be argued that the fact that Kelly had her own room was just fortuitous on his part, or her murder was planned in more detail after the results of the other murders. If we go by the pattern established, then he was just lucky that he found Kelly with her own room, and was able to take full advantage of that after he realized his good fortune. It could be that he adjusted his tactics and sought a different venue to fulfill his fantasies. Maybe, but if we consider the victimology, which were the easiest of targets and the fact that the murder sites really don't make sense for the risks involved, and the obvious locality of the crimes, then we come away with a local bloke that looked like most anyone, with an impulsive derangement, who was very lucky. If the series had continued, he probably would have been caught- even with the limitations that law enforcement at that time had to work with.

I agree with you, I believe this is what most probably happened.

doris

I looked the urine business up in the casebook,

-- Inspector Joseph Luniss Chandler is quoted in the Star as saying the 'bloodstains' found on the fence in the yard of 25 Hanbury Street were simply urine stains.

[GregBaron]

..no great planner.........

Well said Hunter........I also agree...............Jack was impulsive and incredibly bold..........he got lucky.............as one psychologist put it he was the disorganized serial killer type.........he didn't give his crimes a great deal of thought.......he was probably also fortunate to look like Joe Ordinary...... I see him as a local working class ruffian infused with a morbid sadism........I also think, to get back to the thread, that he probably walked out the front door at Hanbury St. and meandered unnoticed to his lair............



Greg