Kelly here, Kelly there. the name of Kelly everywhere..

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

I thought it would be interesting for some that the name of Kelly has cropped up so much in so many ways in the Whitechapel murder/JTR case. Below are some examples..

MARY JANE, or MARY ANN Kelly, 13 Millers Court, Dorset Street.
Her father is one JOHN Kelly He apparently came to London to look for Mary Kelly.
Her elder brother was known, apparenly, as "Johnno" KELLY.
Catharine Eddowes gave her name as BOTH MARY ANN and MARY JANE KELLY.
Eddowes' boyfriend is one JOHN KELLY.
The alledged suspect by the name of JOHN KELLY, alias Johann Stammer. (Sourcebook, Chapter 16)
JAMES KELLY, prison escapee, ? suspect.

So many Kelly's, so many John Kelly's, so many J Kelly's....in one set of murders.. makes one ponder a little.

Added to that...the wierd thing that... trying to trace these Kelly people... seems impossible (with the exception of James)

best wishes

Phil

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Phil!

When I was trying to find that needle in the haystack of Mary Kellys in Ireland/Wales/London, I noticed, that Kelly was the second most common last-name in LVP Ireland...

All the best
Jukka

[Madam Red]

Hello Phil!

When I was trying to find that needle in the haystack of Mary Kellys in Ireland/Wales/London, I noticed, that Kelly was the second most common last-name in LVP Ireland...

All the best
Jukka

I'm guessing that's why it's so hard to track down her origins, ey?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jukka, Madam Red,

Thank you for the replies,

Indeed, a common name yet so mentioned in this case..
Three John Kelly's
One Johnno Kelly
One James Kelly
Two Mary Kelly's

one ponders, doesn't one...

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

Hi Phil,

With friendship and respect, I have no problem with that list.

One victim was known as MJ Kelly.
What can we do ?
She got her name after his father's. Just like her brother(s).
It happens!
No problem here.

We have thus 3 Kellys (out of 7 in your list) that are not to be considered "suspicious". It was Kelly, it was Chapman, it was Stride, Nichols, etc...

Then what remains ?
4 Kellys.
Two suspects named Kelly, but they are obviously not the strongest I've encountered, out of dozens, if not hundreds. In fact, we meet more Levys than Kellys, in this respect, although Kelly, as said, was also a common name.

Then what remains ?
Eddowes-Kelly in custody and her friend.
That's the only possible "Kelly problem" worth discussing, imo - and it has been, indeed, discussed a lot.

Amitiés,
David

[mklhawley]

Another Kelly issue is an automatic assumption Mary Kelly was Catholic, since she was Irish. I assume my assumption is correct.

Sincerely,

Mike

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Mike!

Well, since Barnett wished to have her buried as a catholic, she most probably belonged to the "Mother Church".

Since Barnett and some other people too around her were Irish, they probably knew the difference between Irish catholics and Irish protestants.

All the best
Jukka

[mklhawley]

Thanks Jukka!

Mike

[Phil Carter]

Hello David,

I agree re Mary Kelly... just find the name coming up so often intruiging..re John Kelly especially..thats all.. nothing untoward...just strange really.

best wishes

Phil

[Scott Nelson]

So what's the point of this thread?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Scott,

Does everything have to be linked to some sort of "problem"? I thought that it was an interesting point. Especially as we dont know anything about or cannot trace either the suspect John Kelly, the boyfriend John Kelly, the father John Kelly, and cannot trace Mary Kelly or Johnno Kelly.

Something to ponder over.

best wishes

Phil

[The Good Michael]

I would say, with Kelly being the most popular surname in Ireland, and with the proliferation of Kellys in London, I find the absence of Kellys to be more suspect than the naming of a paltry few who were lateral to the case.

Mike

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Good Michael!

My God, all we need, is a theory of a conspiracy of all Kelly families to this mess of phony theories...

All the best
Jukka

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jukka,

No, it didn't come from me!

best wishes

Phil

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Phil!

No, not indeed... I was thinking about Michael's comment!

All the best
Jukka