The subject of Jack's "anatomical knowledge"

[Tom_Wescott]

Trevor is suggesting that Eddowes was murdered in Mitre Square and found just as described, but that her uterus and kidney were removed in the mortuary in the hours between delivery to the mortuary and the doctor's arrival. He's suggesting that a mortuary attendant sold the organs black market for cash. He also believes the same is true for Chapman and suggests that the reason for the difference in 'anatomical knowledge' found by the doctors is due to the fact that the bodies were delivered to different mortuaries, thus different men of varying skill removed the organs.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Trevor Marriott]

Hunter

The drawing that David and I are talking about, whoever drew it, was made at the crime scene. It shows entrails over the shoulder, entrails cut off and layed at the side of the poor woman, and cuts all the way down to her ...

The drawing then is not consistent with the recorded facts.

Kates liver was cut from the top left down and then across which suggest to me that the murderer did that to get it out of the way. The kidney feels like a hard rubber ball and is easily found by feel, cut the renal artery, pull as your cutting, and it lifts right out.

But you have to know what you are feeling for

If the killer was looking for an organ as a trophy then why not remove the liver because as you have correctly stated the liver on the left side is in front of the kidney. We now get back to targeting specific organs which I would suggest wasnt the case,

[DVV]

The drawing that David and I are talking about, whoever drew it, was made at the crime scene. It shows entrails over the shoulder, entrails cut off and layed at the side of the poor woman, and cuts all the way down to her ...
As far as the clothes are concerned, the killer obviously pulled up what he could and cut the rest to get it out of the way, then he performed the mutilations. He didn't do both at once.

As far as I know, a deer's internal organs and a human's internal organ's are pretty much in the same locations, both being mammals. Kates liver was cut from the top left down and then across which suggest to me that the murderer did that to get it out of the way. The kidney feels like a hard rubber ball and is easily found by feel, cut the renal artery, pull as your cutting, and it lifts right out.

By the way, deer kidneys are tasty cooked in a crock pot.

Agreed all round.
Kullalit enna gubbät bätam arif miggib näw. Kä mitmita gar.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

I have never said that in any of my posts

I know, Trevor.
It was me.
But logically, if the medics thought it impossible for the killer to have removed the organs...they would have bought your theory 120 years before you made it public.

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

The kidney feels like a hard rubber ball and is easily found by feel, cut the renal artery, pull as your cutting, and it lifts right out.

Hello Hunter,

Then the killer , like you said above, would know where to look for it then? Know what it feels like? Know how to disengage it from its attachments? All in the dark?

Sounds like anatomical knowledge. Doesn't it?

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Trevor,

If the doctor's timescale is in doubt (comparing the 20 minute comment you raised)... by definition, the whole scenario is, because it is the doctor's 5 minute comment that adds weight to the whole thing being possible in that time frame.

best wishes

Phil

[Hunter]

The drawing that David and I are talking about, whoever drew it, was made at the crime scene. It shows entrails over the shoulder, entrails cut off and layed at the side of the poor woman, and cuts all the way down to her ...
As far as the clothes are concerned, the killer obviously pulled up what he could and cut the rest to get it out of the way, then he performed the mutilations. He didn't do both at once.

As far as I know, a deer's internal organs and a human's internal organ's are pretty much in the same locations, both being mammals. Kates liver was cut from the top left down and then across which suggest to me that the murderer did that to get it out of the way. The kidney feels like a hard rubber ball and is easily found by feel, cut the renal artery, pull as your cutting, and it lifts right out.

By the way, deer kidneys are tasty cooked in a crock pot.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor,

And comparing that 20 minute estimate with the 5 minute estimate for the Eddowes murder (by another doctor) leaves considerable doubt over testimony.
5 minutes? He couldn't have said more than 5 mins could he? Then the whole murder couldn't have happened in Mitre Square could it.

Something very odd. AGAIN.

I do agree with one thing Trevor. It is high time this was looked at WITHOUT blinkers on, and that possibilities be investigated not pooh-poohed. It might screw up a lot of pet theories. So what I say. The point is to find answers...whoever the killer was.... isn't it?

best wishes

Phil

Phil
i have no doubt that he murder was committed in Mitre square. The timscales quoted in my opinion clearly do not allow for the killer to have removed the organs.

By my calculations 5 mins to committ the murder and mutilations is about right. No time for organ removals

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor,

I don't remember Phillips, nor any other medic, suggesting she has been mutilated elsewhere, by somebody else...

Amitiés,
David

I have never said that in any of my posts

[Phil Carter]

David,

Im working on them..peacefully....LOL

best wishes my friend

Phil

[DVV]

Hi Phil,

as I said, I peacefully await your thoughts.
I've got enough with the Stone records these days...

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Trevor,

And comparing that 20 minute estimate with the 5 minute estimate for the Eddowes murder (by another doctor) leaves considerable doubt over testimony.
5 minutes? He couldn't have said more than 5 mins could he? Then the whole murder couldn't have happened in Mitre Square could it.

Something very odd. AGAIN.

I do agree with one thing Trevor. It is high time this was looked at WITHOUT blinkers on, and that possibilities be investigated not pooh-poohed. It might screw up a lot of pet theories. So what I say. The point is to find answers...whoever the killer was.... isn't it?

best wishes

Phil

[DVV]

Trevor,

I don't remember Phillips, nor any other medic, suggesting she has been mutilated elsewhere, by somebody else...

Amitiés,
David

[Tom_Wescott]

The closest anatomy to a human is that of a pig.

Speak for yourself...I'm more often compared to a horse.

I hope this make things much clearer and i see no further need for discussion

I totally agree.

however i am sure there are some that will see this out to the bitter end

I'll shoot 'em.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. They do match up, Phil.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Dave,

If one reads the inquest testimony of the cuts to the body and the cuts to the material DIRECTLY above the body..the chemise.. they cannot be done because the length and shape of the material cut leave no room for those cuts on the body...at least, I don't think so.
As regards those photos, they have an agenda I dont even want to start on. I'll stick to the inquest papers for now. hahaha

best wishes

Phil