Can anyone help please?

[spyglass]

HI ALL !
I wonder if someone could answer two questions for me

1. Am I correct in thinking that if you walk through St James Passage from Mitre Square, you come out into Heanage Court. If so was this square there during the ripper murders ?

2. Does the phrase "RIPPING YARNS" originate from that era by any chance?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

[Chris]

1. Am I correct in thinking that if you walk through St James Passage from Mitre Square, you come out into Heanage Court. If so was this square there during the ripper murders ?

Heneage Court was some distance away, off Heneage Street on the east side of Brick Lane.

[claire]

Hi spyglass...
The word 'ripping,' meaning, 'fabulous, splendid,' originates from 1826, whilst the first known use of the word 'yarn' to mean 'story' was 1812. Rather unpleasantly, perhaps, for our purposes, the root of the word 'yarn' is Old Norse, from a word meaning gut, or intestine. I believe the phrase itself derives mid-19th C., but I can't seem to find an attestation for that. So, I suppose it could come from ripper times, but I doubt it.

[Monty]

Spyglass

Crude I know but the green line represents St James Passage which led out to St James Place or, as the locals called it, Orange Market.


Monty

[Rob Clack]

There was and still is a Heneage Lane close to St James Place and Mitre Square.



Rob

[Monty]

Rob,

Of course.....part of Watkins beat.

Monty

[Rob Clack]

If anyone should know, it would be us.

Rob

[Chris]

There was and still is a Heneage Lane close to St James Place and Mitre Square.

Ah. Should have remembered that.

Of course, Heneage Court figured in a Ripper story in the Daily Express in 1931, attributed to ex-PC Robert Spicer, concerning a doctor arrested with a prostitute on the night of the "double event".

[Rob Clack]

Ah. Should have remembered that.

Of course, Heneage Court figured in a Ripper story in the Daily Express in 1931, attributed to ex-PC Robert Spicer, concerning a doctor arrested with a prostitute on the night of the "double event".

I did wonder Chris, if that was what Spyglass was thinking of when he asked about Heneage Court.

Rob

[spyglass]

Hi all ! home again.
Claire
Thanks for your imformative reply.
Monty
Rob
Chris
Thanks for your reply's and maps.
As there was a Heneage lane then, is there any chance that the article may have got Heneage lane and street mixed up about the arrest on the night of the double event.
And if so, then is it likely that the disputed article concerning Sergeant White in 1999 may indeed hold some water?
Its just a thought.

[spyglass]

PS. I ment the article in 1919 of course.

[DVV]

Hi Spyglass,

I still don't believe in White's report, but have to admit that since I read Warren's interview following the double event...

"I really have reason to think that it must be someone who came from a good family but who is now an outcast." (La Presse, 8 Octobre 1888)

http://forum.casebook.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=119957

Amitiés,
David

[spyglass]

Hi DVV !
Ah yes..that again.

I have always doubted White's story, but cant completly shake it off.
If the article in 1931 concerning Spicer's arrest was correct, then surley there is a chance that there was a mix up concerning Heneage Court and Heneage Lane. And because the story relates to the "double event night ",then Whites story could hold some water.
The description he gives is uncannily like Druitt, who often got mixed up with being a doctor years later.
Again..just a thought.

[Chris]

If the article in 1931 concerning Spicer's arrest was correct, then surley there is a chance that there was a mix up concerning Heneage Court and Heneage Lane.

The only version of the Spicer story I can find at the moment is the one printed by Vanessa Hayes, in "Revelations of the True Ripper":

http://books.google.com/books?id=v-bsFhMohmIC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5

If that's accurate, it's definitely Heneage Street/Heneage Court that he's talking about, not Heneage Lane.

[Stewart P Evans]

Daily Express

The only version of the Spicer story I can find at the moment is the one printed by Vanessa Hayes, in "Revelations of the True Ripper":

http://books.google.com/books?id=v-bsFhMohmIC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5

If that's accurate, it's definitely Heneage Street/Heneage Court that he's talking about, not Heneage Lane.

Here's the article from the Daily Express of 16 March 1931.