Whether we like it or not

[Phil Carter]

I see no point in things continuing to be kept secret.
curious

Hello Curious,

No, neither can I.

There have been more red herrings laid in this case than any Agatha Christie story. How things "known" have been planted into the public thought over 122 years, let fester, grown, develop, take off on a life of their own. The whole case is riddled with them. 200 different named supposed suspects, countless books, films, plays, supposed "evidence" suddenly turns up, (MJK3 photo amongst others).. and rolls on and on and on...it is all like a silly game to some.

All because Anderson played HIS game. Spymaster extraordinaire.

best wishes

Phil

[harry]

I do not think I have misunderstood the main point of this thread,which appears to me to be a possible link connecting the Ripper killings and the Fenians.Phill I believe, does not feel enough research has been devoted to finding such a link,therefor it should not,in his opinion, be discarded.
That is not to say that those who believe there is no link have cast it aside without thought.From what I read, the first objection to political involvement (and it would be political if the fenians were involved)is the manner of violence involved,and the choice of victim.This is a link in the chain of involvement that would have to be explained on it's own,and in my opinion,as good a place to start any research.Would the Fenians have employed that type of violence?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Harry,

Thank you for your reply.

You have interpreted my words well, but the reference to Fenian violence is incorrect. The link to Fenianism I am talking about is Anderson using the murders to do his Anti-Fenian operation in the area with brought-in policemen from an known Anti-Fenian background, amongst other things. The type of violence used by Fenians has nothing to do with my point, as I haven't said that the murderer WAS a Fenian.

best wishes

Phil

[The Good Michael]

The link to Fenianism I am talking about is Anderson using the murders to do his Anti-Fenian operation in the area with brought-in policemen from an known Anti-Fenian background, amongst other things.

But this would be no revelation, Phil. A spymaster who was trying to root out all sources of insurrection and anarchy would use every resource at his disposal to do so. If you are suggesting he didn't care about the Whitechapel murders and instead used resources in a different direction, I think that is possible. But there is no cover-up for the murders and no scapegoating of Jews in this theorizing. In fact, it would have little or nothing to do with the murders. Unless... you are looking at the tip of the iceberg and attempting to play it coy at first.

Cheers,

Mike

[curious]

Hello Curious,

No, neither can I.

There have been more red herrings laid in this case than any Agatha Christie story. How things "known" have been planted into the public thought over 122 years, let fester, grown, develop, take off on a life of their own. The whole case is riddled with them. 200 different named supposed suspects, countless books, films, plays, supposed "evidence" suddenly turns up, (MJK3 photo amongst others).. and rolls on and on and on...it is all like a silly game to some.

All because Anderson played HIS game. Spymaster extraordinaire.

best wishes

Phil

I googled the Bowles-Lyon sisters and was intrigued and appalled.

Plus, we can never be sure that Prince Albert Victor really died of pneumonia. If he had been becoming a "problem" he might simply have been put away.

Very interesting glimpse into the royals.

curious

[Phil Carter]

Hello Michael,

Thanks for your response.

There are circumstances involving the police actions around the murders themselves which leave an awful lot to be desired, as you know. For example the Dorset Street debacle, there are those who now believe that it is significantly different...before, during and after.

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello curious,

The Bowes-Lyon sisters is a classic example of what limit people in high places will go to to cover up, use disinformation and lie to protect a "scandal".. The shame of 5 women. all in the same wider family, of the same generation, all being mentally ill to varying degrees, and the fact that two of them were shuffled away from society, and one being declared dead by their own family, (because that is what Debrett's said remember).. "If the family told us she was dead, we had no reason to doubt it" tells me an awful lot.
That happened 50 odd years ago, and was discovered in the 80's to be a lie.
Go back a generation, and young Prince John was kept hidden away, because of his epilepsy. It is only recently that we have been told more of his life story.
You are correct. The shame of a person being in any way abnormal, connected to Royalty, and them being hidden away and their existance covered up IS appalling. And THOSE cases WERE NOT cases of National Security. Makes you think doesn't it.
Cover-ups happen. All the time.

best wishes

Phil

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Phil!

Well, we have only pretty recently known, how healthy President Kennedy really was, haven't we?!

And now for curious:

What it comes to any undercover operations, the only victim, who would suit to that, is MJK.

Why?! If her Told-to-Joe lifestory was a cover-up.

But had she been an agent gone wrong, she wouldn't have been in the East End even for that long time!

All the best
Jukka

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jukka,

Tell you what amazes me. I find it incredible that we can't find hair nor tail of the victim's past, we can't find hair nor tail of Hutchinson, before or after, we can't find Caroline Maxwell either. Have a look around the rest of the "players" in the Dorset Street business. Try and find THEIR backgrounds and see how many YOU can find.
Plus the fact that 7 (SEVEN) doctors turned up at 13, Miller's Court. And just about every top Tom, Dick and Harry from the Police Force too.
There is masses wrong with that "killing". Even the good old Coroner never actually states a time of death, and closes the inquest after a very short time... the most atrocious "murder" the East End has ever seen, and it gets closed in record time. Makes you think.

best wishes

Phil

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Phil!

Well, most of all I was thinking about the MJK lifestory; there seems to be a certain logic in it, but as a whole it doesn't make sense!

But your point about the backrounds of mr. Hutchinson and mrs. Maxwell are very interesting, thank you!

There isn't really much about them either!

All the best
Jukka

[DVV]

Hi Phil,

Hutch was an unemployed poor guy from the Victoria Home, and that was enough for the police...
That we cannot find him now (except for the Toppy supporters) is another problem, which, imo, has been solved by Sam Flynn years ago...

Amitiés,
David

[Phil Carter]

Hello Jukka,

Thanks for the reply.
I am not the expert on this, Chris Scott probably is the man to say for sure, but I know one thing. That whole scenario, is wrong. And the "players" don't fit in either.

best wishes

Phil

[Hunter]

Rose Mylett

Hi Phil,

I don't know if you've metioned the Rose Mylett debacle in December when Anderson seemed determined to dismiss any claims that she was murdered, although she was strangled to death and Coroner Baxter and Dr. Phillips concluded it was murder. Anderson got very involved in that case for some reason.

However, I'm inclined to believe that the Mary Kelly debacle was probably a result of hysteria and confusion; from the time they waited for the hounds that weren't coming; to breaking in the door when the latch could be reached from the window; to an incompetant cororner who fought with his own jurors over jurisdiction. No one seemed to be in charge. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Hunter,

Thanks for the reply. In all normal circumstances, I would agree entirely. But that "killing" there, with a Coroner making a real rushed hash of it, has a reason I think.

As for Anderson and Rose... why he should dismiss those claims so vehemently, is something that only goes against the man and his behaviour.

best wishes

Phil

[curious]

Hello Phil!



But had she been an agent gone wrong, she wouldn't have been in the East End even for that long time!

All the best
Jukka

which side are you seeing her on?