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    Were there any other serial killers that were influenced by Jack the Ripper?

  • #2
    Rumbelow

    Hello Nathan. Rumbelow lists a few, Terence Collins, Thomas Hopkins, Peter Kurten (forgive the absent umlaut).

    I would add to this list, the killer of Kate Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly. Of course, all these may be a few kills short of serial.

    The best.
    LC

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    • #3
      I don't know if killers are influenced in that way but surely the Yorkshire Ripper killed, at first, in the same social group. Given that prostitutes are the most vunerable part of society it is not surprising that they are targetted.
      In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        ... Peter Kurten (forgive the absent umlaut)
        You can't make an umlaut without breaking äggs
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • #5
          cracked post

          Hello Sam. Oh the ei-rony!

          The best.
          LC

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          • #6
            Your jokes really are eggsellent.
            In order to know virtue, we must first aquaint ourselves with vice!

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            • #7
              the yolks on you

              Hello Kat. Your yolks are not so bad, either.

              The best.
              LC

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              • #8
                Un oeuf is un oeuf!
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                • #9
                  coda

                  Hello Sam. Yes, it is enough. I don't want to poach on another's thread--besides, my brain's scrambled.

                  The best.
                  LC
                  Last edited by lynn cates; 01-06-2010, 01:47 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KatBradshaw View Post
                    I don't know if killers are influenced in that way but surely the Yorkshire Ripper killed, at first, in the same social group. Given that prostitutes are the most vunerable part of society it is not surprising that they are targetted.
                    Peter Kurten was found to have newspaper clippings relating to Jack the Ripper in his wallet when arrested.
                    protohistorian-Where would we be without Stewart Evans or Paul Begg,Kieth Skinner, Martin Fido,or Donald Rumbelow?

                    Sox-Knee deep in Princes & Painters with Fenian ties who did not mutilate the women at the scene, but waited with baited breath outside the mortuary to carry out their evil plots before rushing home for tea with the wife...who would later poison them of course

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                    • #11
                      In fact, serial killers can't imitate the Ripper.
                      They just can imitate what and who they think he was.
                      Depends on the theory they believe in.

                      Amitiés,
                      David

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DVV View Post
                        In fact, serial killers can't imitate the Ripper.
                        They just can imitate what and who they think he was.
                        Depends on the theory they believe in.

                        Amitiés,
                        David
                        A good point. Unless of course they shared the same obsessions, which statistically is improbable...and no evidence other than Schwartz's or Hutchinson's suggests 2 men near the crime scene working perhaps in tandem.

                        Thats why when senior medical men make observations that suggests similar motives seen in the first 2 Canonicals and no later murders physical evidence suggests as focused an obsession as those first 2....one might consider that the acts lack the focus in the physical actions because their killer(s) did not share the focus.

                        It appears from Polly and Annies evidence, since he is probably not scared off at Hanbury, is that the killer was sated once he had obtained what he excised. And He left. In Kate's case, he either starts by slicing her face after her throat, or he finishes with it...although no feces were in those cuts I believe, and some would have been on the knife blade,... he cuts a section of colon for no obvious reason and he cuts, and tears, the apron section. If only focused on obtaining an organ and leaving....this isnt consistent with Annie's murder in that respect. The physician that examines her agrees with that difference based on the talent used and knowledge required, the same doctor that examined Annie,....but Brown disagrees.

                        I would think no-one in their right mind would suggest that the killer in room 13 was focused on acquiring Marys heart.....he could have saved himself oodles of time had he just skipped the stripping of flesh off her inner thigh bones and one completely to below the knee. Or the facial slashing. He could have just put the uterus and her breast on the table with the other viscera, instead of lifting her head to place it there.

                        About the only thing I could agree with to make the last murder one committed by the man who targeted female abdomens and their contents is that if it was him he lost his mind in the room and any sense of purpose that caused him to kill the earlier victims.

                        The crime scene in room 13 is hideously playful. Mocking. It is not focused. And its not anything like the murder off Hanbury...other than the "playtime" started with skin flaps. Something in all the papers for over a month prior to that kill.

                        Best regards

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