There is no Jack the ripper

[perrymason]

One obvious reason for outdoor venues is the rapt attention that ensues Frank.

Best regards

[FrankO]

You have to elaborate a little, Michael, because I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

Best,
Frank

[perrymason]

You have to elaborate a little, Michael, because I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

Best,
Frank

Some of the murders may have been intended to cause exactly the uproar confusion and panic that they did result in....any local criminal could see that the obsession with the murders was taxing police resources....creating discussion on the urban plight in that area....even Victoria herself suggested more gaslamps.

80% of the murders called Canonicals were committed in full view of the general public. That they didnt see them happening was due to the times of the murders of course, but none of those victims were hidden, nor were any measures put in place to prevent someone from just happening upon the body.

Except the 20% that were not killed outdoors....the killer locked the door behind him....preventing an accidental discovery while walking the streets.

I think a terrorist would have found the events and environment inspiring.

Best regards Frank.

[Trevor Marriott]

And there are many authors, Trevor, who promulgate nonsensical theories based upon a total ignorance of the homicidal paraphiliac offender and the underlying psychodynamics which stimulate his crimes.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

And many more posters on here who continue to do exactly what you state. At least the authors are having a crack at it, and not just sitting here trying to shoot down in flames anything new, just because it doesnt fit in with their own theories, which they cannot put forward anything to prove that they are nothing more than theories anyway.

So now as well as Sam being an MD we now have you who as an expert in homicidal maniacs. It amazes me why then this case hasnt been solved with all this knowledge and expertise

I notice all those big words have you swallowed one of Sams copies of The Lancet ?

[curious]

Its what makes us human... and interesting... and not so interesting at times.

Best Wishes,
Hunter

Exactly and so exasperating at times

curious

[Sox]

There are many people like you who are quick to slag off authors etc but never seem to be able to put forward anyhting of an consequence other than wild speculative theories thats of course if you can engage your brain long enough to be able to put forward anything sensible

Naw, I leave wild speculation to the likes of you.

[Trevor Marriott]

Naw, I leave wild speculation to the likes of you.

By your failure to put forward anything other than sarcasm i rest my case

[Sox]

By your failure to put forward anything other than sarcasm i rest my case

One very very important point Trevor, you do not have the first clue as to who I am, or what I do......more wild speculation on your part, but then again, you are used to that by now.

[Howard Brown]

80% of the murders called Canonicals were committed in full view of the general public.-Perry Mason

Actually Mike...they weren't. I know what you meant though. They were found in full view

They may have been committed to "make a point" or garner attention.

They may also have been committed spontaneously and "as is", we don't know.

Who's to say that the other 20 percent ( Kelly ) wasn't thought of in the same way by the killer in the same way that the outdoor murders were ? We don't know, my brudda from anudda mudda.

Ciao

How

[perrymason]

80% of the murders called Canonicals were committed in full view of the general public.-Perry Mason

Actually Mike...they weren't. I know what you meant though. They were found in full view

They may have been committed to "make a point" or garner attention.

They may also have been committed spontaneously and "as is", we don't know.

Who's to say that the other 20 percent ( Kelly ) wasn't thought of in the same way by the killer in the same way that the outdoor murders were ? We don't know, my brudda from anudda mudda.

Ciao

How

Hi Howard,

In defense of my remarks... Polly quite obviously was in a public street......Annie was killed in backyard where 17 people lived and many neighboring windows looked into....Kate was killed in a public square with 3 entrances, and Liz was killed feet from a public street, outside a gathering of 28 or so men who were wide awake at the time. Anyone peeping out the window...including Pearce a policeman, could have seen the murder take place at any one of those venues...and the bodies were certain to be discovered by daylight at the worst.

Well...Marys door was locked. She was in a courtyard that was not easily accessed from the street...it was through a 20 something foot long stone archway. Her windows did not face the courtyard, but a white wall 2 stories high in an alcove outside her window. Mary was not found at night, nor at daylight by a passer by....she was found because someone looking for her slipped around to her window and looked inside. At close to 11am.

Had Bowyer not been sent to the room to try and collect some of the 28d plus she owed, who knows when she would have been found. Likely later that day.

Polly was found within minutes of her death, Annie almost certainly within an hour, Liz within 10-15 tops, and Kate likely within minutes of her murder. If Mary was killed when Bond suggests, she is found some 7 to perhaps 9 hours after she was killed.

Her venue ensured that she would not be discovered in the same way as the others, or as quickly. The locked door is the cherry on top.

My best regards my friend.

[Howard Brown]

No need to defend whats basically a good point Mike...that the murders could have been viewed by someone coming up upon the killer in mid slice.

Anyone peeping out the window...including Pearce a policeman, could have seen the murder take place at any one of those venues...and the bodies were certain to be discovered by daylight at the worst..

All the best
How

[Garry Wroe]

At least the authors are having a crack at it, and not just sitting here trying to shoot down in flames anything new, just because it doesnt fit in with their own theories, which they cannot put forward anything to prove that they are nothing more than theories anyway.

For the record, Trevor, I am an author.

So now as well as Sam being an MD we now have you who as an expert in homicidal maniacs. It amazes me why then this case hasnt been solved with all this knowledge and expertise

As far as I’m aware, Sam has never claimed to be medically qualified. Neither have I claimed expertise in any sphere of endeavour. As for the case, I was under the impression that you’d already solved it.

I notice all those big words have you swallowed one of Sams copies of The Lancet ?

It’s known as a vocabulary, Trevor. I acquired part of it whilst qualifying as a psychologist. Along the way I also learned to string together the occasional lucid, intelligible sentence. You might care to try it some day.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[protohistorian]

And many more posters on here who continue to do exactly what you state. At least the authors are having a crack at it, and not just sitting here trying to shoot down in flames anything new, just because it doesnt fit in with their own theories, which they cannot put forward anything to prove that they are nothing more than theories anyway.

So now as well as Sam being an MD we now have you who as an expert in homicidal maniacs. It amazes me why then this case hasnt been solved with all this knowledge and expertise

I notice all those big words have you swallowed one of Sams copies of The Lancet ?

First, let us dispatch with the idea that publishing a work on this subject is in any form (outside the mind of the author) trying to solve the case. Secondly, lets address the fact that as an author on the subject you should owe ( out of intellectual integrity ) the subject some manner of respect. Not only for the subject, but for future scholars as well. This is obviously lacking on the part of a great many authors, who through poor scholarship and wild speculation further complicate the study of the case for future scholars. Having read a substantial amount on this case I can say with some certainty that there are authors to whom I indebted to for helping my study, and those whose existence make my life more difficult by presenting poorly researched and thought out fantasies that are a complete waste of my time save for redefining my value of useless. Historical publishing in general, and particularly in this case, is a matter of ethical and accurate presentation of the material. So the claim of being a ripper author in no way elevates one above the status of other scholars that through discipline or respect have decided not to further cloud the waters of ripper research. Respectfully Dave

[Phil Carter]

At least the authors are having a crack at it, and not just sitting here trying to shoot down in flames anything new,

Actually Trevor, respectfully, that is exactly what your good self (an author) has done in recent times. And when challenged to answer a few questions, you choose silence. No?


Thread:- How important is this. Date 18.12.09. You state..

To put an end to all this speculation I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the Metropolitan police service.

Dont ask me how i know because if i told you i might have to kill you afterwards !!!!!!!!!!!!

I answered with these reasonable questions to you Trevor...in a respectful manner.....

Thank you, kind of you to reply and respond to my question.

1)... still in existance in any dept within the Metropolitan police
service..... implies there WERE secret files within the
Metropolitan police service at one time or another. Would you be so
kind as to expand on this comment please? Thank you.

2) Does this same comment ALSO apply to any existing Home Office
File? Again, I welcome your reply.

re-quote .....I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the
Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the
Metropolitan police service.....

3)....In which case I ask, have any files
previously having been at known locations been MOVED elsewhere,
whether they pertain to the Met Police, Home Office or any other
department that may have something to do with the Whitechapel
murders, Fenianism, political interferance at the time or the like?
Again, I welcome your reply.

and that is where I am met with silence.


RESPECTFULLY Trevor, If you are to extend the bounds of possibility to enable other different thoughts and ideas, in all their disjointed glory to be able to grow wings and fly in the face of what for 121 years has got us nowhere, then you, as an author, who has already flown in the face of convention with YOUR theory, should have the courtesy to answer polite questions that you yourself have invited with your own comments!

I don't like playing semantics with words, or games of tease Trevor, and I don't appreciate being ignored either. IT IS RUDE. ...and I have, on another thread a few hours ago today, PRAISED your comments on a posting, so this isn't personal. Because if you KNOW things we shouldn't know, then you shouldn't hint at it either. Or people may think you are telling porkies when you don't answer... (....he only thinks he knows to quote Mr. Littlechild)

So please pay me the respect of answering my questions if you are open, honest and in knowledge of the answers on the appropriate thread, if not, then I regard your statement on THIS thread, as I quoted above, with total floccinaucinihilipilification. (The action of estimating as worthless)

RESPECTFULLY, and with
best wishes

Phil

[protohistorian]

And many more posters on here who continue to do exactly what you state. At least the authors are having a crack at it, and not just sitting here trying to shoot down in flames anything new, just because it doesnt fit in with their own theories, which they cannot put forward anything to prove that they are nothing more than theories anyway.

So now as well as Sam being an MD we now have you who as an expert in homicidal maniacs. It amazes me why then this case hasnt been solved with all this knowledge and expertise

I notice all those big words have you swallowed one of Sams copies of The Lancet ?

Most of the posters here are serious scholars of the case. Perhaps if you are incapable of handling criticism from experienced ripper scholars you should publish on some other subject. I hear there is a vast demand for children's books, and they rarely complain at the fact that Clifford is red. Dave