The from hell letter

[Dave James]

Nise meal

Hi Dave,

Funny, very nise too, specially with a bit of gravy.

Yes, I've definitely seen something regarding the dispute about Bright's. can't remember where right now, and don't have my notes around me, but someone else will surely be able to help out.

It would probably be improved by flava beans and a nise bottle of Chianti too

Dave

[claire]

Hi Dave,

Funny, very nise too, specially with a bit of gravy.

Yes, I've definitely seen something regarding the dispute about Bright's. can't remember where right now, and don't have my notes around me, but someone else will surely be able to help out.

[Dave James]

nice find...and relevant to another thread that was live til a few days ago...can't remember the one now, but I recall Gareth responding to some dodgy pics of piggy kidneys

Hi Claire
Yes I saw that thread. I have to admit that I thought the captions were the wrong way round, I could have sworn the human kidney was a pigs - it lookes very nise!

Another point I'm looking for confirmation on is that the medics disputed the Brights diagnosis. As it says in the article Eddowes other kidney was healthy.

All the best
Dave

[Tom_Wescott]

(to perrymason) Now please, let's not play the usual games. I intend to post more. So be a good boy and go back to the other threads with subjects you also know nothing about.

I just saw this. How classic. Ha ha. Goodonya, Marlowe!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[claire]

nice find...and relevant to another thread that was live til a few days ago...can't remember the one now, but I recall Gareth responding to some dodgy pics of piggy kidneys

[Dave James]

Is it Human or is it a Pig's

Just to warm things up again on this thread.

I was going through news reports on Eddowes and found this in relation to the level of knowlege in 1888.

Evening News London, U.K. 20 October 1888
REGARDED AS A HOAX BY THE POLICE.
The incident of the box containing a portion of a kidney sent to Mr. Lusk of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee was yesterday the subject of much comment in the East-end. It is regarded by the police as a hoax. Even if the kidney forwarded to Mr. Lusk, the chairman of the Vigilance Committee, would prove to be the half of a human organ - and there is medical discrepancy on this point - it could not have been the one extracted from the body of the murdered woman Eddowes. A medical man is said to have ventured to assert - relying upon a microscopic examination - that the organ showed indications of disease from drink. Dr. Sedgwick Saunders, medical officer of the City of London, says this at once disproves the theory that the organ could have belonged to Eddowes, by stating that the right kidney of the woman was perfectly healthy, and presumably the left would be in a similar condition.
DR. SAUNDERS IS INTERVIEWED.
Dr. Saunders, alluding to the report that a medical man declared the half kidney had belonged to a female, remarked to a reporter who interviewed him: "It is a pity some people have not the courage to say they don't know. You may take it that there is no difference whatever between the male and female kidney. As for those in animals, they are similar. The cortical substance is the same, and the structure only differs in shape.
MIGHT BE MISTAKEN FOR A PIG'S.
I think it would be quite possible to mistake it for a pig's. You may take it that the right kidney of the woman Eddowes was perfectly normal in its structure and healthy, and by parity of reasoning, you would not get much disease in the left. The liver was healthy, and gave no indications that the woman drank. Taking the discovery of the half of a kidney, and supposing it to be human, my opinion is that it was a student's antic. It is quite possible for any student to obtain a kidney for the purpose.
INTERVIEW WITH THE CURATOR OF THE PATHOLOGICAL MUSEUM.
A Press representative had an interview, yesterday afternoon, with the Curator of the Pathological Museum at the London Hospital. In the course of the conversation that gentleman stated that the microscopical examination of the article proved it to be the anterior of the left human kidney. It has been preserved, in his opinion, in spirit for about 10 days. The Curator further added that all other statements which had been made were entirely erroneous. Until the portion of the kidney has undergone a more minute examination it is almost impossible to say whether it has been extracted from the body of a male or female. The idea of its being a practical joke is not generally endorsed, especially as so pronounced an opinion has been given by two medical gentlemen, Dr. Openshaw and Mr. Reed. The box and its contents were taken from Leman-street to the City Police office in Old Jewry, and Dr. Gordon Browne, police-surgeon, will examine and make a report in due course. The extra police precautions are still in force.
[My highlighting]

It would seem from this that the state of knowlege was enough to differentiate.

All the best
Dave

[Sam Flynn]

None as I recall saw a pigs kidney however.

They weren't particularly well-equipped to distinguish a pig's kidney from a human's at that time, Mike, so one should be wary of reading much significance into their not doing so. Openshaw was the pathological curator of a hospital, after all, not a veterinary college.

[Marlowe]

If the posts stopped, then why are you here?

Now please, let's not play the usual games. I intend to post more. So be a good boy and go back to the other threads with subjects you also know nothing about. As you are obviously very well aware, I avoid you. You should do the same and avoid me. Thanks

Bye

Hey perrymason, are you sure it isn't my silence that's deafening to you? Some people just crave attention, you know...

As to your analysis that "From Hell" was really just a 'simple little friendly note offering to share' part of a kidney taken from a mutilated and butchered woman -- the other piece he kept for himself to eat -- no, I don't find that argument particularly convincing. Try to remember, please, that Lusk had just received a communication before he received this one that focused on his fear level and one in which the writer, (judging by the phrases used, presumably "Jack") expressed a desire to give him "fits".

Blood, Demons, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice...hmm...sounds like a good idea for next year's Christmas cards.

Marlowe

Wise guy eh..... ...perhaps then you'd point out the phrase that scares him in the From Hell text for me. And also explain how defining the text as it was written is a whimsy of a choice.

Before casting aspersions one might hold off on posting this kind of theorizing first themselves...."In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened."

Really? Fascinating.

That was when the posts stopped, in case you missed it.

Best regards

[Marlowe]

Hey perrymason, are you sure it isn't my silence that's deafening to you? Some people just crave attention, you know...

As to your analysis that "From Hell" was really just a 'simple little friendly note offering to share' part of a kidney taken from a mutilated and butchered woman -- the other piece he kept for himself to eat -- no, I don't find that argument particularly convincing. Try to remember, please, that Lusk had just received a communication before he received this one that focused on his fear level and one in which the writer, (judging by the phrases used, presumably "Jack") expressed a desire to give him "fits".

Blood, Demons, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice...hmm...sounds like a good idea for next year's Christmas cards.

Marlowe

Hi,

It's TIME to add another Dimension to this letter....

It's been said that we invite the Ancients into our Soul when we drink too much! So be careful, you never know who...or what...might show up. It's obvious that "From Hell" was written "under the influence"...the question is..."under the influence" of whom, exactly?

There's no name. From what I understand, THEY don't give out their cell phone numbers that easily.

In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened.

Recall that in the previous communication, "STOP TIME", he mentions Lusk showing fear and wanting to give him "fits". Again, these communications are clearly linked in their symbolism and intentions.

So what have we here...a letter sent from Hell, a "divided" kidney, human sacrifice and cannibalism....all with no signature.

To use my least favorite expression...it is what it is.

Marlowe

The silence is somewhat deafening wouldnt you say Marlowe?

Seriously though, a simple letter without overt threat is likely just that,.... in fact if anything its a friendly note ...offering to share not only the "take" but the instrument used at some point as well.

What makes it a hoax or not so is peoples opinion...because no-one can prove anything about what that organ was or where it likely came from today. All we have is what medical experts thought...and clearly they vary.

None as I recall saw a pigs kidney however.

Best regards

[Marlowe]

Hi,

It's TIME to add another Dimension to this letter....

It's been said that we invite the Ancients into our Soul when we drink too much! So be careful, you never know who...or what...might show up. It's obvious that "From Hell" was written "under the influence"...the question is..."under the influence" of whom, exactly?

There's no name. From what I understand, THEY don't give out their cell phone numbers that easily.

In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened.

Recall that in the previous communication, "STOP TIME", he mentions Lusk showing fear and wanting to give him "fits". Again, these communications are clearly linked in their symbolism and intentions.

So what have we here...a letter sent from Hell, a "divided" kidney, human sacrifice and cannibalism....all with no signature.

To use my least favorite expression...it is what it is.

Marlowe

[claire]

The misspellings could easily be attributable to the stereotype of the "Thick Mick", Claire.

That was kind of my thought, Gareth...that the misspellings are someone's attempt to disguise the letter as the work of someone else; as I said before, the interesting thing for me with that is that it would seem to imply that Lusk might have some definite ideas about the implications of that (eg. believing the writer to be Irish, semi-literate et cetera). Not necessarily, of course, but possible.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Sam. Thanks, as always.

The best.
LC

[Sam Flynn]

Beyond the stage Oirish, though, there are other odd spellings (like Dave pointed out before--Kidne, knif et c) that don't have any regional oddities (obviously) attached to them...

The misspellings could easily be attributable to the stereotype of the "Thick Mick", Claire.