How important is this?

[Trevor Marriott]

To put an end to all this speculation I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the Metropolitan police service.

Dont ask me how i know because if i told you i might have to kill you afterwards !!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas to everyone

[perrymason]

To put an end to all this speculation I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the Metropolitan police service.

Dont ask me how i know because if i told you i might have to kill you afterwards !!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas to everyone

Merry Christmas to you to Trevor....and Im sure that youll understand if your assurances aren't enough to allay any concerns people might have that secretive policies that are the very fabric of organizations like The Home Office or Special Branch have enabled them to conceal information related to the Jack the Ripper cases. Perhaps conceal is the wrong word...."house" is more the point I was after.

If youve read the recent thread about Andersons comments in 1903 you'll note that the article suggests an incarceration of a suspect without any trial or any application of a judicial system. That is precisely the type of things we see today in the form of Political Prisoners. And how readily is information shared about whats been learned from and about some of the Iraq detainees since they have been kept without formal charges or trials?

I would think unless you can prove that you have handled and observed the files in the Home Office records and the Special Branch for the period that encompasses The Ripper Investigations....something from my understanding of the nature of such files would be impossible without some kind of Parliamentary intervention.....then I think the suggestive and supporting evidence of a potential cross appeal of the Ripper cases with some ongoing and extremely politically sensitive investigations such as the Balfour Plot and the pending Parnell Commission is enough to continue to warrant exploration.

Best regards

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Trevor and all,

I'm not too surprised to hear that there aren't any more secret Ripper files. Any file marked 'Ripper' or 'Whitechapel' would have been pilfered or fully exploited by now. However, I can guarantee there are many extant files under the names of various individuals that would contain notes and materials of much interest to us. The Tumblety file that's sure to exist in Special Branch, for instance.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[perrymason]

Hi Trevor and all,

I'm not too surprised to hear that there aren't any more secret Ripper files. Any file marked 'Ripper' or 'Whitechapel' would have been pilfered or fully exploited by now. However, I can guarantee there are many extant files under the names of various individuals that would contain notes and materials of much interest to us. The Tumblety file that's sure to exist in Special Branch, for instance.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I agree Tom and I think that any internal Ripper-related correspondence or documents that may have crossed over into sensitive investigations of a much broader concern might be found in those files as well.

We have Senior men who suggested at various points in time that Jack the Ripper crimes were connected with Fenian activities and individuals....I think its those kinds of files if they exist... in Special Branch or Home Office archives... that are what preoccupy Phil's thoughts lately.

Bets regards

[Phil Carter]

To put an end to all this speculation I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the Metropolitan police service.

Dont ask me how i know because if i told you i might have to kill you afterwards !!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas to everyone

Hello Trevor,

Indeed , Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones. Thank you, kind of you to reply and respond to my question.

1)... still in existance in any dept within the Metropolitan police
service..... implies there WERE secret files within the
Metropolitan police service at one time or another. Would you be so
kind as to expand on this comment please? Thank you.

2) Does this same comment ALSO apply to any existing Home Office
File? Again, I welcome your reply.

3) .....I can tell you that there are no secret files relating to the
Whitechapel murders still in existence in any dept within the
Metropolitan police service..... In which case I ask, have any files
previously having been at known locations been MOVED elsewhere,
whether they pertain to the Met Police, Home Office or any other
department that may have something to do with the Whitechapel
murders, Fenianism, political interferance at the time or the like?
Again, I welcome your reply.

I just ask straight questions asking for straight answers that TELL the whole truth and not answers and non-answers that hint at/I know but I'm not telling/hint of priviledged information being kept amongst normal members of the public/don't say anything/keep schtumm/shared knowledge/monetarial interests/hidden reasons.

I know it's a pain the the derriere, I know its annoying, I know some don't like it, some probably may think I'm a right twit, even living on the edge of innocence perhaps... but I believe, sincerely, that this whole 121 year old case could be far better served with a total revamp.... spray-spread with openess, honesty and decency. Because I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION. I am 51, and there are 21 year olds reading this wondering what the blazes has happened in the last 40 years to cause so much DISHONESTY.

We have the same answers, the same theories, the convenience of explanations..Jack is dead, incarcerated, or both. Plus a n other... take your pick.. there's plenty of rubbished theories around. And if it means I have to voice an opinion that it appears more and more are wondering about, then so be it.

I wish to assure you, as I have previously, this is NOT personal. I have the highest respect for you as both a researcher, author and your current or previous positions within society, in service or otherwise. I do not know you personally, so am unable to comment from that direction, otherwise I am sure i would think the same.

Forgive me if I get the impression of you being one who seems to be "in the know" and thousands of us certainly are not. Forgive me if I get the DISTINCT impression that there are STILL certain things STILL unfit for the ears, eyes and minds of the uninitiated, univited, or unknown.

I am not a "radical" within JTR, nor a "maverick". I am just trying to get some answers. because in THIS case, there are way too many questions left UNANSWERED. For various reasons.

Hello Michael,
Thank you.

....We have Senior men who suggested at various points in time that Jack the Ripper crimes were connected with Fenian activities and individuals

That IS the crux of this. It seems, for some reason, that Wynne Baxter's comment to the Home Office has been ignored. NOT by the powers that be at the time, but by researchers and historians since. As indeed has the Home Office reply, and Macnaghten's comment. Whether, in part, this has been because of Baxter's "American looking for anatomy parts" comment or not, I do not know. But this connection, though looked at, has NOT been, in my view, investigated thoroughly.

For example. It has been suggested on these boards before that the Eddowes murder and the inverted "v" s cut under her eyes could be connected to her being one of Jenkinson's "girls", on the ground infiltrating Fenianism. The horrible mutilation of Eddowes and "Kelly" indicate, to me, the making of an example. This is what happens if...

This next comment, for example, is purely speculative. And I bring in Tom Westcott's last comment here.. (Hello Tom, thank you)

The Tumblety file that's sure to exist in Special Branch, for instance.

If that file on Tumblety exists, we know he has Irish connections. What would happen if we found a concrete Fenian connection to Tumblety? (and given his background in the USA re Linclon, it isn't beyond the bounds of possibility) Because Littlechild's comments ARE important. He was high up in the Secret Department. And one asks the question, What made Sims write to Littlechild, of all people, in the first place? Why Littlechild? The answer could well be that Sims must have thought Littlechild knew something. Thats why. i.e. the Secret Department knew something.

So yes, Wynne Baxter's comments to the Home Office ARE important.
That is why more and more people today think it is about time that more concentration was given to this angle.

best wishes, as always

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

Please note that Baxter made his comment to the Home Office. Please not Anderson's involvement with Fenianism.
Please now go to Perrymason's thread about The International Working Men's Club.
And should Wynne Baxters comments be taken seriously.

I think so.

best wishes all

Phil