JTR Exhibition in Docklands

[Ally]

Stewart,

Am I wrong in thinking that they had the morturary photos of the victims as well as several other photos of key players, inspectors, etc.

Surely these photos were not all "originals"?

[Neal Shelden]

I tried very hard after the talks on Saturday to try and get Julia Hoffbrand to reveal to me the reason for why the victims lives and the Annie picture are omitted from the exhibition. I was amazed that she just kept agreeing with me and then kept repeating that they might be doing a handout that would be given to people, but it was all very vague and I just felt she was telling me nothing.
I got the impression that she considered my Joe Public status to be unworthy of her exhibition, after all I am no professor, police officer, or press man, but that's an opinion her background gave her and I suppose that's not her fault.
It did also make me wonder whether they were scared of putting the Annie picture in because it might overshadow most of the rest of the exhibition as it is more likely to stay in the minds of the public and press then some writing on an official police file.

[George Hutchinson]

Neal - had a thought. It's a small possibility, but a possibility nevertheless.

Maybe another reason they left out the live image was because it was not a London one (I'm presuming it had its origins in Windsor?). I know they've put in other images of players that did not originate from the Capital, but maybe they thought two images of the same person were unnecessary. WE know better, but they just might not be as up to speed as the people who generally do the homework.

I would be surprised if Julia thought you were Joe Public. She was at the Conference and, presuming she was there all weekend, would have seen you get the award for your contribution to the study of the case.

She's always been very respectful to me and you're higher up the ladder than I am. I've never felt she was not doing her best, but in difficult circumstances.

PHILIP

[Neal Shelden]

Neal - had a thought. It's a small possibility, but a possibility nevertheless.

Maybe another reason they left out the live image was because it was not a London one (I'm presuming it had its origins in Windsor?). I know they've put in other images of players that did not originate from the Capital, but maybe they thought two images of the same person were unnecessary. WE know better, but they just might not be as up to speed as the people who generally do the homework.

I would be surprised if Julia thought you were Joe Public. She was at the Conference and, presuming she was there all weekend, would have seen you get the award for your contribution to the study of the case.

She's always been very respectful to me and you're higher up the ladder than I am. I've never felt she was not doing her best, but in difficult circumstances.

PHILIP

The Annie photo is very likely to be a London one as I am pretty certain Annie and John didn't go together to Windsor until 1873 at the earliest.

Thanks for the compliment Philip, just wondering now if the steps have just fallen off the ladder

[Emzikle]

I'm getting the impression the exhibition is quite large...I'm going end of July and arriving about 1.30, will that leave enough time to see it all? If not then is there anything I should make a priority to see?

I'm gutted I couldn't go to the talk on the 17th but there's noway I could have gone before mid July - I'm on chemo until then.

Are there any worthwhile talks on the 28th? *crossed fingers*

Emily

[Bulldog]

Did anyone happen to attend the museum's panel discussion last night?

'Would the Ripper be caught today?
Thursday 22 May, 7pm'

'PC Plod or Expert Witness? A comparison of police techniques between 1880s London and today, and a look at how far the police have moved since the Jack the Ripper investigations. Maggie Bird, Head of the Metropolitan Police Historical Collections will look at policing then, and Catherine Thacker, expert on forensic DNA profiling, will talk about contemporary investigations.'

Bulldog

[George Hutchinson]

I'm gutted I couldn't go to the talk on the 17th but there's noway I could have gone before mid July - I'm on chemo until then.

Sorry to hear that, Emily. I was rushed into hospital myself last night and had an emergency operation completely out of the blue (yes, I have already been discharged) so I can currently empathise - just a little - with your predicament.

PHILIP

PS : No, you lot, no anal fistula - though equally embarrassing.

[Sam Flynn]

I was rushed into hospital myself last night and had an emergency operation completely out of the blue

PS : No, you lot, no anal fistula - though equally embarrassing.

Don't tell me that you've had those shorts surgically removed, Phil!

Seriously, though - hope you're OK.

[Neal Shelden]

Sorry to hear that, Emily. I was rushed into hospital myself last night and had an emergency operation completely out of the blue (yes, I have already been discharged) so I can currently empathise - just a little - with your predicament.

PHILIP

PS : No, you lot, no anal fistula - though equally embarrassing.

Seconded mate, hope all is well with you there.

[Jenni Shelden]

Philip,

get well man

Jenni

[Chris George]

I'd just like to say thank you to all who have been able to see this exhibition in sharing your stories for people like me who are not able to get there. It certainly sounds like a lot of fun and educational too so the organisers got something right.

You are all very lucky to have such heritage and history so close and I for one think it's fascinating and appreciate the reports.

Caz, you tell a good story, the walk-throughs with hubby made me feel like I was there.

Enjoy, I do think that the women who died at the hands of Jack the Ripper would have wanted to be remembered that way...

Hi Spiro

Thanks for your fine words about the Docklands exhibit, which sight unseen, I also believe to be a beneficial thing, even with its shortcomings.

Am I the only person who thinks that there should be a permanent exhibit on Jack the Ripper in the East End?

I suggest that we urge the Docklands to do exactly that, have a permanent exhibit on the Whitechapel murders. Thoughts, anyone?

All the best

Chris

[chrisjd]

Phil, hope you're well.


Re exhibition: Booking from abroad is much easier than they've told me a few month ago. I've got my ticket for Friday 11. July 10:15 now.
I hope all the bored classes awaiting holiday will go to Windsor that day.

Looking forward

Christian

P.S.: I'd prefer to see the original back of the DB-letter with the signature that made history.

[George Hutchinson]

^ Not too good, Christian. Not too bad either. Still got a lot of the drugs in my system and I feel sick a lot of the time.

Thanks to the people who've been e-mailing me. Appreciated.

As you were.

PHILIP

[jmenges]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so maybe this link has been posted already. The History Channel in conjunction with the exhibit has produced an 8 minute video podcast tour of the murder sites.

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/podcasts/podcasts.php

JM

[George Hutchinson]

Thanks, Jonathan. I've just watched it. Apart from the hideously typical narration and wondering what the F the journo Eve Pollard knows about JTR, I've noticed the following inexcusable errors :

1) Polly Nichols found at 4am?
2) Polly Nichols might have been alive?!
3) 29 Hanbury Street demolished in the 1960s?
4) George Yard Buildings was apparently on the other side of the street!
5) The old myth about the prostitutes using St Botolphs by arrangement with the Met.
6) An inferrance that Liz Stride died at 12:30am.
7) They show a walking route which the say the killer took from Mitre Square to Goulston Street, in spite of the fact that half of that route did not exist in 1888 and what was there has gone and that there is no guarantee of the route anyway.
8) They were totally out on the location of the entrance to Millers Court - 20 feet too north and 5 feet too east.
9) The Ten Bells is now apparently at the end of White's Row.

Ahem. Not impressed with their research.

That said - the archive photos are good and the animated trail on the Booth map was nicely done. Just look at the screen and turn the sound off.

PHILIP