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  • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

    Something I have never understood -- and this goes back to the late 80s, when I requested that old Druitt book on inter-library loan and jumped upon finding my own initials printed on the first page -- is how anyone can possibly get past that suicide note. Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

    How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

    How??

    M.
    Easier to get past Druitt's note than Lechmere's "tarpaulin", I'd wager.

    Love,

    Caz
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    • Originally posted by caz View Post

      Sorry, FISHY. I wasn't counting anyone whose first language only rarely appears to be English. Clearly, The Baron has the same difficulty as you with the meaning of 'out of hand'.

      Love,

      Caz
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      Describe to me how exactly someone can be ''Clueless'' if they put Druitt in their worst suspect list ''out of hand''?. when the definition of ''out of hand'' is ''without taking time to think'' [one dictionary source] do people not think when they put him on the list, of all the reasons why ?


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      ''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .
      'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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      • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

        I feel an'' out of hand'', ''clueless'' moment coming your way mark

        Just to give you an example of how Caz, the native english speaker, understand English, which apparently we don't understand

        She once challenged to bring any example of a diary defender who thinks that the mistakes in the diary prove it is authentic, any example within the last 13 years

        I gave her an example that was 7 years old

        She then said that this example is bloody damn old!!

        She once claimed that The phrase (I seen) that appears in the diary is an accent and dialect of English associated with Liverpool, which as was shown by two great english researchers is not true.

        ​​
        You can guess the rest of this words games.

        There is an English dictionary, but then there is the Caz Dictionary, where we all feel foreigens.





        The Baron
        Last edited by The Baron; 03-18-2022, 11:42 AM.

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        • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

          Describe to me how exactly someone can be ''Clueless'' if they put Druitt in their worst suspect list ''out of hand''?. when the definition of ''out of hand'' is ''without taking time to think'' [one dictionary source] do people not think when they put him on the list, of all the reasons why ?


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          ''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .
          They would be pretty clueless if they dismissed Druitt out of hand - or, if you prefer, without taking time to think.

          Putting him on your personal list of worst suspects is not quite the same thing, unless you are saying you did so without taking time to think.

          If the cap fits...

          Love,

          Caz
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          • Originally posted by The Baron View Post


            Just to give you an example of how Caz, the native english speaker, understand English, which apparently we don't understand

            She once challenged to bring any example of a diary defender who thinks that the mistakes in the diary prove it is authentic, any example within the last 13 years

            I gave her an example that was 7 years old

            She then said that this example is bloody damn old!!

            She once claimed that The phrase (I seen) that appears in the diary is an accent and dialect of English associated with Liverpool, which as was shown by two great english researchers is not true.

            ​​
            You can guess the rest of this words games.

            There is an English dictionary, but then there is the Caz Dictionary, where we all feel foreigens.





            The Baron
            Well that was edifying.

            A couple of posters to this thread write like they are 7 years old.

            I'm off to play with the adults.

            Love,

            Caz
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            • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
              Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

              How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

              How??

              M.
              It's not really much of an objection, is it?

              The Druittist that I know of (John Hainsworth and Christine Ward-Agius) suggest that William Druitt simply lied about the contents of the suicide note to put a speedy end to the inquest.

              After all, Druitt's own family is said to have suspected him of being the Ripper. We wouldn't necessarily expect them to shout it from the rooftops, would we?

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              • Originally posted by caz View Post

                Hi Herlock,

                I'm beginning to wonder if you are not being too harsh on FISHY. Is he perhaps unfamiliar with the English expression 'out of hand' and therefore doesn't see what everyone else can?

                Love,

                Caz
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                Hello Caz,

                I even posted a definition of the phrase ‘out of hand’ from a dictionary of phrases and yet they still ignore it and plough on with the nonsense. I’ve given up expecting integrity from some quarters.
                Regards

                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                  ill keep it simpler that that old boy , Was druitt jack the ripper, yes or no ? ... remember yes or no . not out of hand , or maybe , or could be .
                  No one with even a modicum of intelligence or judgment would answer that question with a yes or no. It’s as relevant as you asking me whether you are currently wearing socks or not.

                  I don’t know if Druitt was the ripper or not. I don’t know if Kosminski was or Bury or Sickert or Kelly or whoever. Trevor, for example believes that Feigenbaum is a strong suspect but he won’t say that he was definitely the ripper. None of us know. We talk about likelihoods based on our individual judgment. Yes or no is redundant……or at least it should be.
                  Regards

                  Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                  “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                  • Originally posted by caz View Post

                    A third possibility, Herlock, is that the private info was legit, but would not be classed as strong evidence today, or possibly not evidence at all. Everyone now has their own idea of what to look out for, and we know it was the same back then.

                    Anderson's low class Pole, eating from the gutter and doing unmentionable things in public, versus MM's suicidal sexually insane slummer. You couldn't get much more different than that.

                    Love,

                    Caz
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                    Fair point Caz
                    Regards

                    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                    • Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

                      I think every suspect and the evidence to support that suspect has to be closely scrutinized. I am sure those who were made aware of differnet suspects back then were doing no more than researchers of today by trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

                      I accept Druitt has been named as a suspect but there is no more evidence against him than there is against a plethora of any other named suspects.

                      and what the evidence looks like to you is simply your opinion which you are fully entited to give, but what seems to have happened is that a handful of suspects over the years have been in my opinion wrongly uplifted to prime suspect status when there is no evidence to elevate them to that catergory.

                      Druitt is an interesting named suspect but not a prime suspect. Researchers need to learn and understand what evidence it takes to catergorise someone as a prime suspect. That being said we can eliminate most of the those who are regarded as prime suspects from that status.

                      www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                      We disagree on the importance of the terminology of course. I think Druitt has more going for him than most. After all we know far more about him, his family and his life than other suspects (apart from well known suspects like Sickert of course.)
                      Regards

                      Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                      “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                      • I think the fact that he is named and was at least put in the frame by the people at the time puts Druitt in at least the top ten, possibly top five suspects we have. There is no reason as far as I am concerned until/if something definitive appears to exclude him that he does not stay there. As the old saying goes there is 'no prize for second place', there is just one JtR.

                        For me, any suspect that has some convoluted conspiracy theory attached to them or some bizarre modern link go straight to the bottom of the list.

                        Supectology is the biggest dividing factor in the field and should, in my eyes be steered well clear from.
                        Best wishes,

                        Tristan

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                        • Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
                          Lets look a one point concerning Duritt seeings how someone likes comparisons when there was no such talk of compairing one suspect to a perticular theory but anyway,what do you expect from that type of person .

                          So Druitt , lets see , heres a guys that if he was jack the ripper murdered 5 women in a way no ones ever seen before ,totally guts mary jane kelly like an animal, makes headlines around the world, is the most famous killer of his time on the streets of whitechapel, has no anotomical knowledge required to remove Eddowes kidney in under 7mins, , kills Chapman at 5.30 cleans himself up and is on the cricket pitch at 11.30 that morning .

                          Then after the last murder of kelly on the 9th Nov goes silent , kills himself on 30th Nov or around the first week of Dec, his suicide note found on him says ''since friday [being the 30th of nov ] . 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother, and the best thing for me was to die."

                          Two things that are why Druitt is my worse suspect list , if he killed the C5 i doubt very much it took since friday Nov 30th to feel like he was going to be like his mother and go insane, and the best thing for me to do is die . Surley after kelly, the killer was well past insane .

                          Lastly , why not tell the world your jack the ripper in the suicide note ? , your responsible for the worse murders the worlds ever seen , your famous the world over, your name would live on in infamy for all enternity. Yet all he says is since friday i felt like i was going to be like mother . hmmmm

                          Druitt is at the top of my list as on on the worst suspect for one very good reason , he deserves to be there .


                          ''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned .



                          Not worth responding to rubbish like this apart from…..

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                          ''out of hand '' Baron you were spot on , its a nothing phase , mean absolutley jack [pardon the pun] were montague druitt is concerned
                          How can it be a ‘nothing phrase’ if it’s actually in a Dictionary Of Phrases. Staggering ignorance.
                          Last edited by Herlock Sholmes; 03-18-2022, 01:51 PM.
                          Regards

                          Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                          “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                          • Originally posted by caz View Post

                            Well that was edifying.

                            A couple of posters to this thread write like they are 7 years old.

                            I'm off to play with the adults.

                            Love,

                            Caz
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                            7 would be a compliment I think Caz
                            Regards

                            Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                            “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                            • Originally posted by Mark J D View Post

                              Something I have never understood -- and this goes back to the late 80s, when I requested that old Druitt book on inter-library loan and jumped upon finding my own initials printed on the first page -- is how anyone can possibly get past that suicide note. Surely the very idea of Whitechapel's monstrous post-mortem mutilator signing off with 'Since Friday I felt I was going to be like mother...' should have everyone shaking their head...?

                              How do you all get past it, Druittists? 'He'd forgotten what he'd done'? 'He wrote that note five months earlier'? 'Yeah, but he's still a better suspect than Lechmere!'...?

                              How??

                              M.
                              How is this an objection? Is it beyond the realms of possibility that even a suicidal Druitt might not have wanted to have saddled his family with the stigma of having the ripper counted among their numbers? This is clearly a non-issue and again illustrates how desperate people are to try and dismiss Druitt. Why?

                              I could say that at least Druitt doesn’t require the blatant manipulation of facts like the very convenient and very deliberate omission of the word ‘about’ (in book, article and documentary) so that a mysterious gap can be invented to implicate the man who very clearly discovered the body on the way too work.
                              Regards

                              Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                              “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                              • Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post
                                The Druittist[s] that I know of ... suggest that William Druitt simply lied about the contents of the suicide note to put a speedy end to the inquest. After all, Druitt's own family is said to have suspected him of being the Ripper. We wouldn't necessarily expect them to shout it from the rooftops, would we?
                                Ah. Simple of mind as I clearly am, it hadn't occurred to me that, here too, the approach would be 'The evidence is all perfectly clear. And where it isn't, we change it so it is'.

                                M.
                                (Image of Charles Allen Lechmere is by artist Ashton Guilbeaux. Used by permission. Original art-work for sale.)

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