Most ridiculous suspect

[Ms Diddles]

bingo diddles.
sugden was the one who discovered ostrog was in jail in france while doing research for his book, by far the best book on the ripper IMHO.

Thanks Abby!

It's years since I read Sugden, so probably worth revisiting.

If it wasn't established until so much later that Ostrog was in jail, his inclusion in the MM is less of a clanger.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Agreed!

Druitt would not have been an obvious choice for a randomly selected suicide merely on the basis that his suicide occurred at an apposite time.

It all comes down to that tantalising "private information" really, doesn't it?

Is the inclusion of Druitt (and indeed Koz) somewhat undermined by the inclusion of Ostrog (a total non-starter) on the same list though?

I can't recall when it was uncovered that Ostrog was in jail in France at the time of the murders.

Was that prior to the MM, or years later that the evidence came to light?

Either way, to my mind there is no way that Druitt should be included on a list of weakest suspects.

Particularly when there are so many truly nonsense ones to choose from!

When you think about it it’s pretty remarkable how some just dismiss him out of hand a a suspect. As you say, it boils down to the private info. So we have just 2 possibilities with no way of knowing which is correct - the private info was correct or the private info was wrong. Can we prove that the PO was correct? No. Can we prove it was wrong? No. Some say - that’s an intriguing possibility. Some say - he should be discarded as a suspect. You can almost smell the bias.

[Ms Diddles]

When you think about it it’s pretty remarkable how some just dismiss him out of hand a a suspect. As you say, it boils down to the private info. So we have just 2 possibilities with no way of knowing which is correct - the private info was correct or the private info was wrong. Can we prove that the PO was correct? No. Can we prove it was wrong? No. Some say - that’s an intriguing possibility. Some say - he should be discarded as a suspect. You can almost smell the bias.

Well, without knowing what the private info was, there is unfortunately no way of assessing it's worth.

Oh, how I would love to know what that private info was!!!

Regardless of whether or not Druitt was the ripper, I'm sure there's a fascinating story in there somewhere.

If I was writing a screen play or a fictional account of the Whitechapel murders, Druitt would be my man.

[The Baron]

Well, without knowing what the private info was, there is unfortunately no way of assessing it's worth.

Oh, how I would love to know what that private info was!!!

Regardless of whether or not Druitt was the ripper, I'm sure there's a fascinating story in there somewhere.

If I was writing a screen play or a fictional account of the Whitechapel murders, Druitt would be my man.

What would be better than a scene of a lawyer walking the court in the morning and defending his clients while hiding a woman's uterus in his pocket, then when the night falls he turns to a zombie, his eyes get wide and bloodier, walking the narrow allies of Whitechapel hunting, cutting and eating poor women...



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Because serial killers never have normal ’other’ lives do they? They don’t marry, work, have kids, have hobbies, play sports of course. They walk around wearing ragged, bloodied clothing constantly foaming at the mouth and trying to bite anyone that passes by. And those trophy taking killers don’t stash their trophies away do they? No of course not, they simply stuff them under their coats and take them to work with them.

Id give up any hopes of a career in criminology if I were you.

[Aethelwulf]

Bat-eared fox, indigenous to Africa - didn't Deeming spend some time there??

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bat-eared fox, indigenous to Africa - didn't Deeming spend some time there??

Can we now add Basil Brush to our list Wulf? To be honest, I never trusted him.

[Abby Normal]

Because serial killers never have normal ’other’ lives do they? They don’t marry, work, have kids, have hobbies, play sports of course. They walk around wearing ragged, bloodied clothing constantly foaming at the mouth and trying to bite anyone that passes by. And those trophy taking killers don’t stash their trophies away do they? No of course not, they simply stuff them under their coats and take them to work with them.

Id give up any hopes of a career in criminology if I were you.

hey herlock

"Because serial killers never have normal ’other’ lives do they? They don’t marry, work, have kids, have hobbies, play sports of course. They walk around wearing ragged, bloodied clothing constantly foaming at the mouth and trying to bite anyone that passes by. "

sounds like kosminski

[Herlock Sholmes]

hey herlock

"Because serial killers never have normal ’other’ lives do they? They don’t marry, work, have kids, have hobbies, play sports of course. They walk around wearing ragged, bloodied clothing constantly foaming at the mouth and trying to bite anyone that passes by. "

sounds like kosminski

Strange eh?

[Trevor Marriott]

When you think about it it’s pretty remarkable how some just dismiss him out of hand a a suspect. As you say, it boils down to the private info. So we have just 2 possibilities with no way of knowing which is correct - the private info was correct or the private info was wrong. Can we prove that the PO was correct? No. Can we prove it was wrong? No. Some say - that’s an intriguing possibility. Some say - he should be discarded as a suspect. You can almost smell the bias.

I think this term private info has been taken too literally, there are many interpretations to describe the term "private info"

I refer back to the SB ledgers where there are a number of entries naming suspects for JTR which came from all manner of differnet sources all of which could be interpreted as private info. So i personanlly cannot give anymore credence to MM`s private info than I can for any of the others simply because there is no corroborating evidence.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think this term private info has been taken too literally, there are many interpretations to describe the term "private info"

I refer back to the SB ledgers where there are a number of entries naming suspects for JTR which came from all manner of differnet sources all of which could be interpreted as private info. So i personanlly cannot give anymore credence to MM`s private info than I can for any of the others simply because there is no corroborating evidence.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

As I said though, the private information might have been good or it might not have been. All we know is that MacNaughten felt that it was. Now of course that still doesn’t mean that the info was legitimately pointing at Druitt (it might have just appeared to have done so) and we can’t claim that Mac was Sherlock Holmes but he was an intelligent man capable of forming a judgment which might easily have been a correct one. As we don’t know what the info was we aren’t in a position to judge that info of course.

[JeffHamm]

Are you sure you have the right gender, Jeff?

The figure looks like a shockingly accurate rendition of Kate Eddowes' "standing" mortuary photograph, complete with nicked eyelid, cut cheek, nose cut off, twice slashed throat, abdomen mutilations, bare breasts, and limp arms.




It looks like it is signed by "LEES"

While art has much interpretation to it, fostering a lot of debate and so forth, I'm thinking you're on to something that will be universally accepted. However, I must admit, I've been wrong before.

- Jeff

[Trevor Marriott]

As I said though, the private information might have been good or it might not have been. All we know is that MacNaughten felt that it was. Now of course that still doesn’t mean that the info was legitimately pointing at Druitt (it might have just appeared to have done so) and we can’t claim that Mac was Sherlock Holmes but he was an intelligent man capable of forming a judgment which might easily have been a correct one. As we don’t know what the info was we aren’t in a position to judge that info of course.

But everyone who provides information to the police provides it in the belief that it is good and reliable information but the proof of the pudding is with the corroboration and there is none, nor there were any steps taken by MM to prove or disprove that info. So despite MM being a seniot officer the info referred to has no more evidentail weight than any other piece of info received by the police. In fact MM being in the position he was had the opportunity to fully investaigate his info but it seems that was not done.

So Druitt as a suspect based on that info carries no more weight than all the other suspects named in similar circumstances.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[FISHY1118]

Charles Lechmere., jill the ripper, Montague Druitt.

Theres been a change at the top or the leader board ...... In my opinion. [ Translation .... which can be changed to suit any debate ,discussion ,conclusion about who was jack the ripper.


1 .Montaque Druitt [Aka, Out of hand man ]


2 James Maybrick , [ Aka, Mr more popular than the most famous diary of them all ]

3 Charles Lechmere .[ Aka, What time did really leave home that morning?]

[caz]

Are you sure you have the right gender, Jeff?

The figure looks like a shockingly accurate rendition of Kate Eddowes' "standing" mortuary photograph, complete with nicked eyelid, cut cheek, nose cut off, twice slashed throat, abdomen mutilations, bare breasts, and limp arms.




It looks like it is signed by "LEES"

Hmmm, tasteful way to mock the afflicted. Are you taking lessons from Trev Marriott by any chance?