Most ridiculous suspect

[FISHY1118]

And the point of posting this is?

Does the quote state that Druitt couldn’t have been the ripper? No. It points out the doubts and the unknowns which we all acknowledge. Why are you so desperate to dismiss him if it’s not simply because you are attached to a theory. One that certainly is dismissed by evidence and the whole of Ripperology of course. So I’m afraid Fishy that I’ll take no lessons from someone that supports the thoroughly and categorically discredited Knight/Sickert nonsense.

I think that woe should leave it there because we’re entering old territory and from experience we know how protective you are of Stephen Knight and his story.

Thats were you show your true misunderstanding of the whole druitt topic . you cant work out why it was posted , why am i not suprized . INDEED CLUELESS

[Herlock Sholmes]

And there you go behaving like a spoilt child again ,

Try reading.

. Anyone that dismisses Druitt out of hand is simply clueless

Does it say “anyone that dismisses Druitt is clueless?” No.

Kattrup doesn’t feel that Druitt was the ripper, neither does Abby. Why aren’t these 2 ‘outraged’ at my post?

Ill tell you why. Because they can both read and understand perfectly well what I said. As do you but you’ve dug yourself into a hole and won’t admit your error so you just blunder on.

[Herlock Sholmes]

For the clueless people who think people who put Druitt in their worse suspect list are ''clueless'' the above post if for you . There ends the Druitt topic .

Get someone to explain it to you.

[FISHY1118]

Let me ask one final question , bases on that article are people entitled without being labeled clueless, when they have Druitt in the worse ripper suspect list based solely on whats in the article? . yes or no ?

[caz]

Or the forger of the diary when researching the ripper saw what he thought could be discerned as an F M in one of the photo's and ran with it.

Hmmm. I can't see it myself, Darryl. What you are suggesting is that someone first decided to write JtR's diary, without having selected who was going to be Jack. They then saw what they thought would be recognisable to the book buying public as the initials F and M in the Kelly photo, and thought: "Ah, now James Maybrick had a wife called Florence who was unfaithful to him, and he died in May 1889, just a few months after the Kelly murder. Why don't I have Maybrick as my ripper and his motive a form of revenge by proxy on his wandering wife? Then I can let someone else figure out what I mean by an initial here and there, in relation to Kelly's murder. Simple."

Had the hoaxer plumped for William Bury instead, would they still have mentioned initials apparently left at the Kelly crime scene, confident that if Bury theorists looked at the photo closely enough, or just believed enough, they'd 'see' the initials E B, or W B, just like seeing an alien or Bugs Bunny?

IMHO the diary would not have existed if the author had thought of anyone else as Jack. It was all about James Maybrick of Liverpool, from the start. And of course it emerged in Liverpool, where the people who brought it forward would inevitably be suspected of faking it as soon as the first red flag went up, over the handwriting being nothing like Maybrick's. Mike Barrett's 'confessions' two years later didn't need to be remotely credible after that. They merely gave the hard of thinking the green light to accuse him of being a very silly faker indeed.

Love,

Caz
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[FISHY1118]

Try reading.



Does it say “anyone that dismisses Druitt is clueless?” No.

Kattrup doesn’t feel that Druitt was the ripper, neither does Abby. Why aren’t these 2 ‘outraged’ at my post?

Ill tell you why. Because they can both read and understand perfectly well what I said. As do you but you’ve dug yourself into a hole and won’t admit your error so you just blunder on.

Gosh its so difficult with you to stay on topic isnt it , what have i been saying from the start herlock ?, it not about whether i think druitt or sickert or any suspect for that matter is or isnt jtr. its alway been about the fact you sayin people are clueless for having druitt on a worse suspect list when a montain of evidence that supports their choice to do so . thats it, why cant you just admit that . be honest dont twist or change anything to suit something else that you want to avoid this topic .

[FISHY1118]

. Anyone that dismisses Druitt out of hand is simply clueless
Does it say “anyone that dismisses Druitt is clueless?” No.


The fact you hide behind the ''out of hand'' part shows your true colors , you insult with a caviet to backpeddle when caught out , baron spotted it a mile away and so do i . Its cheap and sneaky , tells me alot about you .

[Herlock Sholmes]

. Anyone that dismisses Druitt out of hand is simply clueless
Does it say “anyone that dismisses Druitt is clueless?” No.


The fact you hide behind the ''out of hand'' part shows your true colors , you insult with a caviet to backpeddle when caught out , baron spotted it a mile away and so do i . Its cheap and sneaky , tells me alot about you .

How can it be a caveat when it was an integral part of the original post. You can’t just edit three words from a sentence so that you can alter the meaning just so that you can make a point.

Altering a post is what’s cheap and sneaky. And dishonest.

[rjpalmer]

Are you sure you have the right gender, Jeff?

The figure looks like a shockingly accurate rendition of Kate Eddowes' "standing" mortuary photograph, complete with nicked eyelid, cut cheek, nose cut off, twice slashed throat, abdomen mutilations, bare breasts, and limp arms.




It looks like it is signed by "LEES"

[rjpalmer]

James Maybrick collected donations from his colleagues to feed the needy. What a smashing fellow he must have been to pass round the hat.

Harold Shipman was a smashing GP to all the patients he left alive.

I'll tell you what, Caz.

If, by chance, any unconvinced Ripperologist ever posts examples of Lewis Carroll's charitable contributions, and I quickly rush in with comparisons to Harold Shipman, feel free to write me off as a closet Dodgsonian--no matter what I might say to the contrary.

Ero is correct in pointing out that a certain type of sociopath will associate himself (or herself) with popular causes, but it is generally done in a conspicuous manner. There was a certain poisoner in the southern U.S., for example, who bought her church a magnificent pipe organ, all paid for with insurance proceeds she had gathered over the years.

By contrast, there doesn't seem to be anything particular ostentatious in Sir Jim passing the hat around to feed the poor in Norfolk--black & white alike--and I would expect that a real sociopath would have collected the money and then bought himself a nice supply of Cuban cigars and French postcards.

This evidently didn't happen.

But, of course, it is entirely irrelevant whether or not the real James Maybrick may have been a relatively mild-mannered bloke after all, since we both agree that the diary is a sham.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Are you sure you have the right gender, Jeff?

The figure looks like a shockingly accurate rendition of Kate Eddowes' "standing" mortuary photograph, complete with nicked eyelid, cut cheek, nose cut off, twice slashed throat, abdomen mutilations, bare breasts, and limp arms.




It looks like it is signed by "LEES"

I see it too Roger. Good spot.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Hmmm. I can't see it myself, Darryl. What you are suggesting is that someone first decided to write JtR's diary, without having selected who was going to be Jack. They then saw what they thought would be recognisable to the book buying public as the initials F and M in the Kelly photo, and thought: "Ah, now James Maybrick had a wife called Florence who was unfaithful to him, and he died in May 1889, just a few months after the Kelly murder. Why don't I have Maybrick as my ripper and his motive a form of revenge by proxy on his wandering wife? Then I can let someone else figure out what I mean by an initial here and there, in relation to Kelly's murder. Simple."

Had the hoaxer plumped for William Bury instead, would they still have mentioned initials apparently left at the Kelly crime scene, confident that if Bury theorists looked at the photo closely enough, or just believed enough, they'd 'see' the initials E B, or W B, just like seeing an alien or Bugs Bunny?

IMHO the diary would not have existed if the author had thought of anyone else as Jack. It was all about James Maybrick of Liverpool, from the start. And of course it emerged in Liverpool, where the people who brought it forward would inevitably be suspected of faking it as soon as the first red flag went up, over the handwriting being nothing like Maybrick's. Mike Barrett's 'confessions' two years later didn't need to be remotely credible after that. They merely gave the hard of thinking the green light to accuse him of being a very silly faker indeed.

Love,

Caz
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Sorry Caz what I am suggesting is that the hoaxer while researching JTR and Maybrick. Looked at the MJK 1 photo in one of the books where it looks like an FM [ maybe the 1973 book ] , and he/she decided to write the poem, initial here, initial there etc to try and contribute to a supposed authenticity.

In other words the forger had already plumped on Maybrick. He/she just observed what they thought could be mistaken for an FM [ or maybe just M ] and saw it as a bonus, so why not use it.

Regards Darryl

[Ms Diddles]

I don't concider Maybrick to be a suspect, not even a person of interest, he has nothing to do with this case than Pink Panter does.


The Baron

I don't know, the Pink Panter sounds like some heavy breathing sex pest type to me.........

[Ms Diddles]

As I’ve asked many times Roger if, as some suggest, MacNaghten was simply compiling a list of random pseudo-suspects that he could claim were ‘better than Cutbush’ (to give the lie to the story in The Sun) why choose Druitt? With all of the resources he had to hand why not any random recently dead criminal or ‘lunatic?’ Instead he chooses a well-to-do Barrister/Schoolteacher with no criminal record. A man who, for all that Mac knew, might have had a discoverable alibi for any of the murders (unlike a random nobody whose life would have been far less traceable.) And finally, why was it so important to find a suspect who died after Kelly when many people (including Munro, who Mac greatly admired and respected) believed Mackenzie to have been a victim?

The suggestion that he simply plucked Druitt out of thin air doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. It doesn’t mean that Druitt was the ripper of course because he could have been mistaken but it shows that MacNaughten felt that he had valid reasons for naming him as a suspect. Therefore there might actually have been very valid reasons at the time for doing so. This is only one of the reasons why I feel that Druitt is far too easily dismissed by some.

Agreed!

Druitt would not have been an obvious choice for a randomly selected suicide merely on the basis that his suicide occurred at an apposite time.

It all comes down to that tantalising "private information" really, doesn't it?

Is the inclusion of Druitt (and indeed Koz) somewhat undermined by the inclusion of Ostrog (a total non-starter) on the same list though?

I can't recall when it was uncovered that Ostrog was in jail in France at the time of the murders.

Was that prior to the MM, or years later that the evidence came to light?

Either way, to my mind there is no way that Druitt should be included on a list of weakest suspects.

Particularly when there are so many truly nonsense ones to choose from!

[Abby Normal]

Agreed!

Druitt would not have been an obvious choice for a randomly selected suicide merely on the basis that his suicide occurred at an apposite time.

It all comes down to that tantalising "private information" really, doesn't it?

Is the inclusion of Druitt (and indeed Koz) somewhat undermined by the inclusion of Ostrog (a total non-starter) on the same list though?

I can't recall when it was uncovered that Ostrog was in jail in France at the time of the murders.

Was that prior to the MM, or years later that the evidence came to light?

Either way, to my mind there is no way that Druitt should be included on a list of weakest suspects.

Particularly when there are so many truly nonsense ones to choose from!

bingo diddles.
sugden was the one who discovered ostrog was in jail in france while doing research for his book, by far the best book on the ripper IMHO.