Most ridiculous suspect

[FISHY1118]

There were no insults Fishy. If someone dismisses a suspect without due and fair-minded consideration (which is very clearly what I was said, that’s not a trait that’s worthy of applause but of criticism) And additionally if some says that a poster has said something then that poster proves in black and white that he categorically didn’t say that then I see nothing wrong in stating that fact.

That said, I don’t wish to make any further comment on that particular subject.

There were insults that came after the inital discussion that were attached to posters replys back and fourth, thats all i was referring too, not the topic .

And just for the record , ive ''Never Ever Ever'' reported anyone for a post directed at me that i took offence too. I copped it on the chin , i wonder how many can say the same ?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I was referring to the worded insults that went back and fouth recently , not so much the subject they were attached too.

There were no insults Fishy. If someone dismisses a suspect without due and fair-minded consideration (which is very clearly what I was said, that’s not a trait that’s worthy of applause but of criticism) And additionally if some says that a poster has said something then that poster proves in black and white that he categorically didn’t say that then I see nothing wrong in stating that fact.

That said, I don’t wish to make any further comment on that particular subject.

[FISHY1118]

To criticise someone for dismissing someone out of hand isn’t an insult. It’s perfectly reasonable and sensible. We shouldn’t dismiss a suspect without proper consideration or just because we can’t prove guilt or because it clashes with a favoured suspect or theory.

I was referring to the worded insults that went back and fouth recently , not so much the subject they were attached too.

[FISHY1118]

As far as I can recall I don’t think that Trevor claims that Feigenbaum was the ripper ‘as a fact.’ He just believes that he’s a strong suspect.

“I firmly believe that Carl Feigenbaum was Jack the Ripper and that his name will now enter history as that of the world’s most notorious serial killer. For this man was responsible for a series of horrific murders of poor, unfortunate, helpless women on three continents over a period of six years and, after going to his grave, evaded detection for over a century.” ²⁴

So the part where it says'' For this man ''was'' responsible for a series of horrific murders'' is that not stated as fact according to trevor ?



It doesnt say'' i firmly believe this man was responsible'' ......... theres a big different isn there ?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Anyone is free to call Druitt a ridiculous suspect. Someone can suggest that he was an alien if that suits them. But what if we found a report from Major Henry Smith stating his belief that George Morris was possibly the ripper and that a family member had told him of his guilt? Would we instantly dismiss him as ‘ridiculous’ because it wasn’t corroborated and that we have no incriminating evidence against Morris? Or, would we take the view - well Smith was a senior Police Officer so his information just might have been correct leaving us with an intriguing possibility. Its worth considering.’

Former or latter? Sadly for the subject some would prefer the former. Fortunately I think that the majority would have the latter approach though.

[FISHY1118]

Is it new evidents that contradicts wolf ?does it somehow make his dissertation incorrect ? is it enough to form or changes opinion against what wolf wrote ?

if it is then of course ill check it out , but if its not then my above post remains .

So yes ???

[Herlock Sholmes]

To criticise someone for dismissing someone out of hand isn’t an insult. It’s perfectly reasonable and sensible. We shouldn’t dismiss a suspect without proper consideration or just because we can’t prove guilt or because it clashes with a favoured suspect or theory.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As far as I can recall I don’t think that Trevor claims that Feigenbaum was the ripper ‘as a fact.’ He just believes that he’s a strong suspect. Or even the strongest so far?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

While I am not a Druitt advocate, I certainly don't dismiss him as a suspect. The problem I see with your alternatives is that we don't know the content of "the information". Another of the aspects I see against Druitt's candidacy is the relative locations of his office at King's Bench Walk with Mitre Square and the GSG. Still, it is nonsense to rate him anywhere in a thread titled "the most ludicrous suspect". The term "baiting" comes to mind.

Cheers, George

Cheers George,

Fair points about Druitt. One of my points, as you’ve no doubt read, is that Druitt does sound unlikely as a person as a ripper suspect as we have no evidence of him having any connection to prostitutes or any issue with them or women in general or indeed any propensity for violence. This is why I pretty much eliminate any suggestion that MacNaughten simply selected him to add to his ‘better than Cutbush’ list just because he committed suicide after Kelly. He was a teacher at a posh school, a Barrister, a cricketer player at a decent standard (with his name appearing in print) plus Treasurer of a Club an he had a well to do family in Dorset. This would have meant that anyone looking into him would have found it easy to get some background information on him; to contact and question family members and also to check various records/newspapers which for all that Mac would have known might have led someone to have said “hold on, he was in court in Bournemouth for on the day of the Chapman murder,” for example.

No problem at all with anyone considering him a weak suspect but ‘ridiculous?’ I think we can all see what’s going on with that?

[FISHY1118]

So I take it you dont like Feigenbaum as a suspect, I vould suggest you read the lenghty chapter on Feigenbaum found in my book "Jack the Ripper-The real Truth" which goes into much more detail than Wolfs dissertaion and includes new evidence that wasnt availale when Wolf penned his dissertaion.

Oh and by the way there are only a few pics so you might struggle with the reading part

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=trevor+marriott&i=stripbooks&crid=3AANEFU85O9UR&sprefix=Trevor+Marriott%2Cstripbooks%2C86&ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_15_ts-doa-p

Just dont be rude or insulting about it .Fishy, Did you not see this bit Trevor ?

[Trevor Marriott]

I disagree George , When a suspect ,who ever he might be has far more circumstancial evidence than any hard facts as to use to suggest he was the ripper [which in Druitts case is exactly that IMO ]then he in ''my opinion'' deserves his place on the list or ''Most Ridiculous Suspects'' . The term'' Baiting'' has i dont think has anything to do with it .

When does one move on from these nothing suspect the likes of Druitt, Maybrick ,Feigenbaum and find someone who makes a Real/Better case for being JtR .

Example ? Just read Wolf Vanderlinden,s piece on Feigenbaum and tell me seriously ,does one really think in ones heart of hearts he was Jack the Ripper ? , Cmon really?.... Theres even one book written that basically claims it as a fact!!, case closed all go home . Gobsmacked .

For whats its worth he shouldnt even be on Goldilocks and the 3 bears list of whos been sleeping in my bed ? But thats another story.

Now i have disagreed with George, thats what we humans do. His just as entitled to his opinion as i am mine , feel free to do the same ,just dont be rude or insulting about it .Fishy

So I take it you dont like Feigenbaum as a suspect, I vould suggest you read the lenghty chapter on Feigenbaum found in my book "Jack the Ripper-The real Truth" which goes into much more detail than Wolfs dissertaion and includes new evidence that wasnt availale when Wolf penned his dissertaion.

Oh and by the way there are only a few pics so you might struggle with the reading part

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=trevor+marriott&i=stripbooks&crid=3AANEFU85O9UR&sprefix=Trevor+Marriott%2Cstripbooks%2C86&ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_15_ts-doa-p

[FISHY1118]

Hi Herlock,

While I am not a Druitt advocate, I certainly don't dismiss him as a suspect. The problem I see with your alternatives is that we don't know the content of "the information". Another of the aspects I see against Druitt's candidacy is the relative locations of his office at King's Bench Walk with Mitre Square and the GSG. Still, it is nonsense to rate him anywhere in a thread titled "the most ludicrous suspect". The term "baiting" comes to mind.

Cheers, George

I disagree George , When a suspect ,who ever he might be has far more circumstancial evidence than any hard facts as to use to suggest he was the ripper [which in Druitts case is exactly that IMO ]then he in ''my opinion'' deserves his place on the list or ''Most Ridiculous Suspects'' . The term'' Baiting'' has i dont think has anything to do with it .

When does one move on from these nothing suspect the likes of Druitt, Maybrick ,Feigenbaum and find someone who makes a Real/Better case for being JtR .

Example ? Just read Wolf Vanderlinden,s piece on Feigenbaum and tell me seriously ,does one really think in ones heart of hearts he was Jack the Ripper ? , Cmon really?.... Theres even one book written that basically claims it as a fact!!, case closed all go home . Gobsmacked .

For whats its worth he shouldnt even be on Goldilocks and the 3 bears list of whos been sleeping in my bed ? But thats another story.

Now i have disagreed with George, thats what we humans do. His just as entitled to his opinion as i am mine , feel free to do the same ,just dont be rude or insulting about it .Fishy

[GBinOz]

So the alternatives are perhaps, a) the information from the family was genuine given but they were mistaken about him being the ripper (possible), or b) the information came from someone (possibly close to the family) who might have sought to punish them in some way by ruining their reputation (possible), or c) that the information was correct (possible).

Hi Herlock,

While I am not a Druitt advocate, I certainly don't dismiss him as a suspect. The problem I see with your alternatives is that we don't know the content of "the information". Another of the aspects I see against Druitt's candidacy is the relative locations of his office at King's Bench Walk with Mitre Square and the GSG. Still, it is nonsense to rate him anywhere in a thread titled "the most ludicrous suspect". The term "baiting" comes to mind.

Cheers, George

[FISHY1118]

Seeings how the thread is titled ''Most Ridiculous Suspects'' , in we go Carl Feigenbaum. at no 4.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That's the whole point. We don't know. It could be the gospel truth. He could have been given evidence that puts MJD 100% in the frame. There can't be an 'evidential perspective' 130 years later, everything is just speculation. Nothing more.

Exactly. It appears that some are very certain that they know for certain what’s certainly unknown to the rest of us Tristan. And I’m certain about that.