Anti-semetism and Mary Kelly

[diana]

One Step Farther

I admit this is pure speculation. Lets take it one step farther. Every wacked out possibility has been suggested for the Ripper's motive. What if he was such a rabid antisemite that the whole thing was an elaborate plot to cause an antisemitic backlash, possibly even a pogrom in London.

Admittedly Nichols and Chapman don't seem to have any Jewish connection. The first step would be to perpetrate some really ghastly murders and get the public's attention. As has already been pointed out, the night of the double event is loaded with Jewish associations.

My main reason for doubting that Jack was the author of the GSG was that it would be irrational for a man fleeing a murder to stop and do that. However, if the whole point of the killings was to stir up hatred of the Jewish people then the GSG makes a whole lot more sense.

Sir Charles Warren certainly thought that if the GSG were seen it would lead to antisemitic riots. Maybe erasing it was really a good thing.

[Malcolm X]

Hi Mal,

It's also possible that Blotchy and Wideawake were the same person, which would indicate that the 11:45 "visit" was a reconnaissance misson of sorts, during which the premises were "staked out" prior to the offender returning when he knew the coast was likely to be clear. Both descriptions implicated an individual who was not tall, but stout, and they both wore the same rather distinctive headgar; a "wideawake" otherwise known as a "billycock". I say " distinctive" on the basis of the pictorial evidence I've seen, and judging by the mass of peaked caps, I have little doubt that the headgear described by Lewis and Cox (and Wilson, for that matter) was far from the norm.

All the best,
Ben

it is indeed possible.... but...HUTCH risks being identified as blotchy face by Sarah Cox, dont forget that he went to the inquest and would've thought ``damn it, that woman that saw me enter Kelly's has gone to the police, i'm in real trouble now.. i've got to sneak out of here quietly`` .....

but no he went to the police, therefore HUTCH isn't BLOTCHY, in my opinion; not a hope in hell.... more likely he's his accomplice

if he's identified by Sarah Cox after he's gone to the police, not only is he lieing about all of his statement, but he's definitely the Ripper and i'm sure that he would've realised this.

being seen waiting outside is dodgy enough ... but still believable for a short time, because being dismissed as a liar/ media attention seeker... is exactly what the Ripper wants, after all; it's better than remaining a top suspect, plus he's already hammered home his anti-semetic garbage for all of London to read, barely two weeks ago!

anyway just a theory of mine!

[Ben]

Hi Mal,

It's also possible that Blotchy and Wideawake were the same person, which would indicate that the 11:45 "visit" was a reconnaissance misson of sorts, during which the premises were "staked out" prior to the offender returning when he knew the coast was likely to be clear. Both descriptions implicated an individual who was not tall, but stout, and they both wore the same rather distinctive headgar; a "wideawake" otherwise known as a "billycock". I say " distinctive" on the basis of the pictorial evidence I've seen, and judging by the mass of peaked caps, I have little doubt that the headgear described by Lewis and Cox (and Wilson, for that matter) was far from the norm.

All the best,
Ben

[Malcolm X]

Hi Mal,

For what it's worth, I agree entirely.

The killer would have been churlish in the extreme not to have taken advantage of the anti-semitic undercurrent in the district and the impact it had upon the Whitechapel murders. The "Leather Apron" brouhaha came to the fore between the Nichols and Chapman murders, and in the aftermath of the latter murder, the latest suspect description inplicated a "foreigner".

If the killer was a local gentile, I can cheerfully picture him adding fuel to that particular fire whenever and wherever an opportunity presented itself, which may explain why both double event murders were committed in close proxmity to two Jewish clubs (one for each double event murder) and a synangogue near Mitre Square. Add the GSG to the whole caboodle, and it's little wonder that Philip Sudgen saw so much merit in Martin Friedland's suggestion that the ripper sought to deflect as much suspicion onto the Jews as possible, an idea that found favour with Sir Charles Warren, Sir Henry Smith and others.

Best regards,
Ben

oh thanks mate

yes i'm trying to see these murders the other way around... trying to tackle this form another perspective....i'm not 100% sure on those signatures any more either, i think they match; but this still doesn't rule out HUTCH... NO WAY... he took the media/ police on a wild goose chase to catch this LA DE DA jew....down Petticoat Lane.... it's actually quite ``black humour`` isn't it, it's a Mickey take and highly anti-semetic

but, we have nothing concrete either way, because we still have this one massive problem....``BLOTCHY FACE``

the most offbeat and crazy theory i have is;- BLOTCHY FACE and HUTCH were a dastardly duo......... the same duo seen attacking STRIDE!

one of the dastardly duo shouted ``LIPSKI`` a warning to his friend, ``look out; there's a JEW over there``....very interesting indeed, but dont take this too seriously

[Ben]

Hi Mal,

For what it's worth, I agree entirely.

The killer would have been churlish in the extreme not to have taken advantage of the anti-semitic undercurrent in the district and the impact it had upon the Whitechapel murders. The "Leather Apron" brouhaha came to the fore between the Nichols and Chapman murders, and in the aftermath of the latter murder, the latest suspect description had implicated a "foreigner".

If the killer was a local gentile, I can cheerfully picture him adding fuel to that particular fire whenever and wherever an opportunity presented itself, which may explain why both double event murders were committed in close proxmity to two Jewish clubs (one for each double event murder) and a synangogue near Mitre Square. Add the GSG to the whole caboodle, and it's little wonder that Philip Sudgen saw so much merit in Martin Friedland's suggestion that the ripper sought to deflect as much suspicion onto the Jews as possible, an idea that found favour with Sir Charles Warren, Sir Henry Smith and others.

As you note, it may be more than coincidence that Hutchinson also sought to implicate a Jew where he perceived an advantage in doing so.

Best regards,
Ben

[Limehouse]

Perhaps the murderer didn't write the Goulston St graffiti and didn't kill Stride. Or perhaps he didn't write the Goulston Street graffiti and he DID kill Stride but he killed her where he did because that's where shw was when he found her??

Having said that, if the graffiti was written by the murderer, you might be on to something. By the time of the double event, the idea that the murderer might be a Jew (because, one newspaper concluded, such crimes could not be committed by an Englishman - but also because John Pizer had been identified as a possible suspect) had taken shape. The killer may have wanted to capitalise on this theory.

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm

I am not sure what you have discovered is important but you are right that the only night in which there are a lot of Jewish references was the night of the Double Event with the factors that you mentioned. No apparent Jewish references in Hanbury Street. Buck's Row... well the murder occurred south of the Jews' Cemetery on Brady Street, if that meant anything. And on the night MJK's murder, the only Jewish link (maybe) is the Jewish appearance of the man described by Hutchinson, as you say.

All the best

Chris

hi
no my guess is he decided to start his anti-semetic crusade from the Stride murder onwards... but for some reason nothing at Kelly's... he back tracked for some reason, because he had plenty of time for something anti-semetic or a similar cryptic note..... this to me seems wrong

removing her heart, although this has strong ocult/ black magic connections, isn't a direct link to anti-semetism or a strong enough clue for the TABLOID press/locals to pick up on.... the Ripper would need to spell out in writing his anti-semetism, or to convey it to the media/ police, either by letter or by the spoken word later on..

just a theory but worth mentioning

[ChrisGeorge]

i've just hit on something that i consider quite important..

if Blotchy Face was her killer, there is no reference at the crime scene to anything Anti-Semetic, no cryptic writing and in addition, no Dutfields yard as an ideal location to commit murder...this was Millers court

the Ripper was trying to tell us something at the Eddowes murder, ``the Jewes are the men`` and i think he chose Dutfields yard earlier on, on purpose too... so why is there nothing anti-semetic at the Kelly crime scene or outside in Dorset st.........or millers court.... now i think this is a bit odd.

the only anti-semetic garbage is from Hutchinson.. flipping loads of it, but nothing from the one person you'd expect it from....from the actual Ripper, this is his grand Finale'; the icing on his cake, his swan song and yet nothing.

sorry, i was a fool to vote for Chapman, i'm still suspicious of Hutchinson..

Hello Malcolm

I am not sure what you have discovered is important but you are right that the only night in which there are a lot of Jewish references was the night of the Double Event with the factors that you mentioned. No apparent Jewish references in Hanbury Street. Buck's Row... well the murder occurred south of the Jews' Cemetery on Brady Street, if that meant anything. And on the night MJK's murder, the only Jewish link (maybe) is the Jewish appearance of the man described by Hutchinson, as you say.

All the best

Chris

[Malcolm X]

i've just hit on something that i consider quite important..

if Blotchy Face was her killer, there is no reference at the crime scene to anything Anti-Semetic, no cryptic writing and in addition, no Dutfields yard as an ideal location to commit murder...this was Millers court

the Ripper was trying to tell us something at the Eddowes murder, ``the Jewes are the men`` and i think he chose Dutfields yard earlier on purpose too... so why is there nothing anti-semetic at the Kelly crime scene or outside in Dorset st.........or millers court.... now i think this is a bit odd.... it's a step back in his twisted mindset, in his anti-semetic crusade!

the only anti-semetic garbage is from Hutchinson.. flipping loads of it, but nothing from the one person you'd expect it from....from the actual Ripper, this is his grand Finale'; the icing on his cake, his swan song and yet nothing.... i've never thought of this before, but it seems to be screaming at me now

sorry, i was a fool to vote for Chapman, i'm still suspicious of Hutchinson..crafty bastard and very clever too..