Blame it on Mom

[Supe]

C.D.

As you well know, no one ever talked about "damning evidence" in regard to any suspect, you that is a bit of a scarlet herring used to attack any suspect someone doesn't like.

More to the point, though, I would suggest you and everyone else read the Hainsworth article in the latest Ripperologist as he looks at Druitt's candidacy from a different angle entirely. Well worth reading and thinking about..

Don.

[Sam Flynn]

misogyny is implied by the lack of male victims. Surely, with all the overcrowding in the east end, the killer would have at least one potential male victim.

Why, if potential male victims are more likely to fight back and more likely themselves to carry knives? As I said, Dave, there's nothing to rule out the possibility that Jack was picking easy targets, rather than feeding a specifically misogynistic agenda. Indeed, most of the women he apparently "chose" were particularly vulnerable in themselves - out on the streets, alone, suffering from the consequences of drink - when compared even to their peers. I don't think there was a particularly robust or sober woman among them.

[protohistorian]

Why, if potential male victims are more likely to fight back and more likely themselves to carry knives? As I said, Dave, there's nothing to rule out the possibility that Jack was picking easy targets, rather than feeding a specifically misogynistic agenda. Indeed, most of the women he apparently "chose" were particularly vulnerable in themselves - out on the streets, alone, suffering from the consequences of drink - when compared even to their peers. I don't think there was a particularly robust or sober woman among them.

If he was solely hunting oportune targets why not any children. Theres plenty of rugrats about that are ridiculously easy targets. I can see him target whores though in the delusion ythat he is helping the world. Interestingly enough, Louise Richardson in her book What Terrorist Want notes that in terrorist organizations around the world, the common theme is they believe that they are saving the world. This is a common delusion among meglomaniacs. From what I know of George, he was.

[perrymason]

Its always troubled me that the note in his pocket said he feared he "would" turn out like Mother......not that he had already.

Best regards

[Robert]

Michael, the note wasn't in his pocket.

[perrymason]

Michael, the note wasn't in his pocket.

Did I misremember? I thought I recalled it was on him...but bow to your correction as I have had little or nothing to do with this suspect until now.

But to the point I was going for.....does "would end up like"...sound like a man who is confessing it already had happened.... if he was cognizant of the acts he'd committed and thats why he is killing himself, then he would know he was insane. So why say he would "end up" going insane?

Cheers Robert

[protohistorian]

Its always troubled me that the note in his pocket said he feared he "would" turn out like Mother......not that he had already.

Best regards

haven't read adams yet, ypur kidding me right? Did this cat really say that?

[Sam Flynn]

haven't read adams yet, ypur kidding me right? Did this cat really say that?

The cat in question was Montague Druitt, Dave - not our mate Severin Klosowski.

BTW, who'd a thunk it - a serial killer with the initials "SK"! Now, if you want to blame anything on mom, that'd be it...

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Why, if potential male victims are more likely to fight back and more likely themselves to carry knives? As I said, Dave, there's nothing to rule out the possibility that Jack was picking easy targets, rather than feeding a specifically misogynistic agenda. Indeed, most of the women he apparently "chose" were particularly vulnerable in themselves - out on the streets, alone, suffering from the consequences of drink - when compared even to their peers. I don't think there was a particularly robust or sober woman among them.

Except us fellas don't usually have uteri and wombs. I suppose Jack could've liberated numerous kidneys to chomp on or whatever he used them for, but given his diversity for organs I'd say he'd get bored of those rather quickly, despite how nise they tasted.

[Sam Flynn]

Except us fellas don't usually have uteri and wombs.

Synonymous, M&P (uterus = womb)

However, men certainly have "bits" inside them, which are harder for a would-be eviscerating killer to get hold of if he has to win a wrestling contest/fist-fight with the would-be "donor" first.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Synonymous, M&P (uterus = womb)

Oh. Well... I knew that really. I was just pretending.

Though I think Jack still specifically targeted the ladies rather than the laddies, otherwise surely if he was simply opportunistic and picking off the easy ones, there'd be at least one ripped dead bloke. Then again, that case regarding the mutilated boy was never solved to my knowledge, so... you could be onto something.

[Ophion Roth]

I find your bias towards mothers as baffling as your bias against the idea that there could be a possible influence. No child is nurtured in a vacuum. Niether does it raise itself. And whilst I am not of the opinion that we come into this world a tabula rasa, in fact having my suspicions leaning heavily toward past lives as a reality, I do feel we get the nurturing most suited to our propensities.

[Jay Batsford]

Is there any chance that JTR's motives came from a desire as a man to be a woman like pre-op transexuals if thats what people in those situations are still called and due to the social and moral stigma of the times hated God and himself for the way in which he was created and took out his rage on woman because he was not the same as them and vented his anger at those he wanted to be like? Its a long shot and i don't believe it myself but i have heard of cases that were a great deal less violent but just as valid of men in those situations ending up resenting what they want to most be like???????? is there a remote chance????????

[perrymason]

I was thinking that it would be interesting to know if the fact that Jack gets his victims fully or semi unconscious before using a knife...(except in Millers Court according to the Canonical Group), ..is an indication of anger towards women. In that, he physically engages his victims first and overpowers them.

Is that asserting his male physical prowess over a woman who dominated him ...in this case the woman is symbolic of a mother figure? The actual killing itself is such a small part of what he does, I think its that he overpowers them with his hands, their scarves, or a ligature, .....instead of just slitting their throats from behind right away, that makes me wonder if it was important to physically defeat the women without weapons.

Joe Flemings mother went mad also... maybe we should have looked harder for his note. Just wondering......Were there any other suspects that had mothers with mental illness?

All the best

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Is that asserting his male physical prowess over a woman who dominated him ...in this case the woman is symbolic of a mother figure? The actual killing itself is such a small part of what he does, I think its that he overpowers them with his hands, their scarves, or a ligature, .....instead of just slitting their throats from behind right away, that makes me wonder if it was important to physically defeat the women without weapons.

Valid point, except that I would have thought it'd be easier to cut their throats whilst they were on the ground rather than from behind. The strangling could've very well, and very likely given some of the victims' bruising, have taken place while the killer was behind them (for whatever reason...).

Joe Flemings mother went mad also... maybe we should have looked harder for his note. Just wondering......Were there any other suspects that had mothers with mental illness?

The only reason Fleming is a suspect is because of his link to MJK, who seems quite clearly to be the work of the Ripper. The suspects are only good for people wanting to publish their theories in books and there's not many suspects who give an indication of being a killer other than the suspects that actually are murderers, but the problem with those suspects is that most if not all aren't in the same league as to whoever the Ripper was in terms of how they killed as individuals.