Spiritualism

[Mike Covell]

Here are a few books which might help you Jibby

Servants of the Supernatural-The Night Side of the Victorian Mind, Antonio Melechi, Arrow Books, 2008.

The Occult Tradition-From The Renaissance to the Present Day, David S. Katz, Random House, 2007.

[Jibby Reznor]

Thank You

Hello,

Thank You to everyone who has replied to this thread. Iv got a wealth of stuff to write my paragraph on Spiritualism. Thank you all so much

Jibby

[Mike Covell]

For Jibby...

Echo London, U.K. 9 October 1888
Scroll down to "German Superstition"

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/echo/18881009.html

Jewish Chronicle (U.K.) Friday, 12 October 1888

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/jewish_chronicle/jc881012.html?printer=true

Pall Mall Gazette 1 December 1888

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/pall_mall_gazette/18881201.html

Davenport Morning Tribune Iowa, U.S.A. 27 January 1889

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/davenport_morning_tribune/18890127.html?printer=true

[DVV]

Mike,
you're too kind to give him such a clue.

Amitiés,
David

[Mike Covell]

I would have thought he would have found E. Bathory in.....Bath!
Gedit? Gedit? Sigh!

[DVV]

Or was the tree (disguised in a top hat etc etc) moving in front of Jack???

ODD things trees- see the East End pics thread for evidence!!!!

Hi Suzi,
there are more odd things to come. The man Welté, aka Puff of Smoke, annouces on his website that he will soon complete a 3 volumes saga about vampires, and will also travel Europe on the trail of E Bathory.
Of whom we can expect an interview and some photos.

Amitiés,
David

[Nemo]

The "Curse of Mitre Square" was an early attempt to explain the murders in an occult frame...

[Suzi]

A great man, Mike.
Jack was moving behind the tree.

Amitiés,
David

Or was the tree (disguised in a top hat etc etc) moving in front of Jack???

ODD things trees- see the East End pics thread for evidence!!!!

[Suzi]

Yep Pamela Ball's book is worth a look and does have some good pics.....and some bizarre ones OMG .......Don't go down the puff of smoke Mitre Sq road- perlease!!!!!!!

[DVV]

Mons. Welte also filmed Kelly floating across Mitre Square as a puff of smoke, laid in a shape similar to a Walter Sickert painting.

This happened whilst there was no wind, which means he also caught an ENT on film, as the tree in the background was moving too!

A great man, Mike.
Jack was moving behind the tree.

Amitiés,
David

[Mike Covell]

I have a newspaper report from 1888 which looks at the murders being carried out so that the human fat could be used for thieves candles, which in occultic tradition are used to knock out victims, whilst they are robbed.

This article predates Robert D'Onston Stephenson's suggestion that the human fat is used to make occultic candles.

[Jeff Leahy]

PS PS. Another interesting idea might be to explore how Hollywood have interwoven Lees story with that of Abberline. Leaving us the mythology of the Psychic Detective hot on the trail of a ghostly killer.

To my memory, which is poor these days. Lees did offer his services at the time (dont think he was taken up) and did receive a mysterious pension from the crown.

I beleive most of the occult theories are of more modern invention, though I'm happy to stand corrected.

P

[Jeff Leahy]

Yes, i think you should be careful about confusing the Occult and Spiritualism in Ripper context. They are very different stories.

Occult books tend to lean towards the idea that the Ripper murders were commited by someone involved in Satanic Ritual.

The involvement of Spiritualism in the mythology of the Ripper case is seeped in the mythology from early days.

Robert Lee's was supposed to have followed a man through the Streets to the home of a surgeon. He was arrested and put into an asylum.

As far as i am aware there is little, if any, credible source. The stories appearing in news papers sometime after the event. I believe Jennifer Pegg is a good source for stories and sources on Lees.

Mikes information on psychics is correct. I might also add in his book Tony Stockwell does a psychic reading with a decendant of Catherine Eddows.

1888 is a time when credible scientists still took spiritualism seriously and is very much part of the flavour of the period.

All the best

Pirate

PS if dealing with psychics avoid the 'M' word

[Mike Covell]

Mons. Welte also filmed Kelly floating across Mitre Square as a puff of smoke, laid in a shape similar to a Walter Sickert painting.

This happened whilst there was no wind, which means he also caught an ENT on film, as the tree in the background was moving too!

[DVV]

At this present moment I am looking for texts relating to spiritualism and the occult being used to catch the killer. And also spiritualism helping cement the rippers gothic mythogical image.

Hi Jibby Reznor,
one Philippe Welté has written a book about the case. He talked with Mary Kelly's ghost for more than 20 years. And has of course solved the case.

https://www.prwelte.com

Amitiés,
David