2 ?'s For Ripperologists

[BLUE WIZZARD]

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Are my questions irrelevant on this site?

When there is an augment on this site all questions asked are ignored.

Augments for the sake of ego are a waste of time, if some one feels as though they have to justify what they say or think, then an ego is bruised, do not misunderstand me the ego is important to keep things going here, but a bruised ego will look bad to everyone.

I think the people on this site are the most intelligent people that I have heard anywhere, and no one can take that away from you.

I know, who cares what I think.

BW

[Mascara & Paranoia]

When there is an augment on this site all questions asked are ignored.

I just gave you an answer to the best of my ability, though I'm not as avid about this case and am quite new to it so it might not be what you're looking for. It's on the previous page.

[BLUE WIZZARD]

If Jack wanted his claim to fame, then why would he pass up an opportunity to leave a message on the wall with his chalk, just simply saying Jack was here?

As he promised in the letter to the police about his next kill.

Something is not right with the Kelly killing.

BW

P.S. thanks for the reply.

[Mascara & Paranoia]

If Jack wanted his claim to fame, then why would he pass up an opportunity to leave a message on the wall with his chalk, just simply saying Jack was here?

With the fame thing, I meant that if it was a copycat who killed Kelly as some seem to believe, then wouldn't the person who killed her claim to be Jack the Ripper for the notoriety?

As he promised in the letter to the police about his next kill.

As for the letters, as much as I'd have liked them to be, I don't think any of them were written by Jack.

I don't think there's anything that mysterious about the Kelly murder other than people adding fuel to the fire with their preferred theories.

[Suzi]

I just can't realistically see Jack being content with ending things with Eddowes, who was quite clearly a botched job (the abdominal mutiliation, not the facial stuff) when comparing her to Chapman, who I think was Jack's finest work. Besides, who else would've been capable to do the amount of damage inflicted upon Kelly at that time other than Jack?

I don't like how everything about this case has to be a "conspiracy" (can't think of a more appropriate term) when you should be looking at things objectively. Like Tabram's believed to be a Ripper killing just because she was stabbed around the right time and was the same type of woman in regards to the C3 (Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes), but seriously thinking about her murder, it was likely committed by somebody other than Jack. And Kelly gets discarded from the group because she was younger, prettier and killed inside. So? It's still the same M.O. inside the room, the only thing different about it being the greater extent of the mutiliations (which Eddowes' murder even showed early signs of with regards to the facial deconstruction) and a different organ allegedly being extracted.

In short, I think Kelly's just as likely a Ripper victim as any of the C3 and very probably not the work of a copycat (wouldn't such a killer want to come forward claiming to be Jack the Ripper for the 'fame'?).

Just my thoughts. =]

'Er- How can you say that Kate was a 'botched' job?- before I start on the rest here...IF pushed I would put MJK outside of the so called C5 along with Liz..............

Sorry BW the Jack Woz 'Ere' thing didn't happen in the LVP!.............well not directly!

[The Enemy Blog]

"Jack woz 'ere"

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[Mascara & Paranoia]

By botched I meant how mucky the job was. He'd cut her all wrong and made a real mess of the mutilations and very likely not by design. The opening of the abdominal cavity was jagged and Jack had to completely sever her colon and put it aside, in addition to his trademark of pulling the intestines out and putting them over her shoulder. Compare that to the clean kill of Chapman, and you can definitely see how things didn't exactly go the way he probably anticipated.

[Suzi]

Can't agree with that M & P-
The work on Catharine was done in a very small 'window' of time and given that it was incredibly 'accurate' IMHO

[Suzi]

Ref The Enemy Blog-
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm so Jack the Super Hero has been missed then has he??? Ho Hum

[Mascara & Paranoia]

I'm not very good at explaining things so you'll have to bear with me, but what I mean is that he messed up the actual mutilations in the Eddowes case and if I remember rightly, slashed away haphazardly inside her to get access of her uterus and kidney, resulting in the (literal) crap he had to cut out and put aside.

How quick he worked was impressive, but at the same time it probably wouldn't have taken any longer than 10 minutes to do all of what he did to Kate as long as he worked fast (which he evidently did as her mutilations were obviously rushed).

[Suzi]

Can't see how they were rushed- the facial mutilations were quite accurate- OK didn't take very long but look at the mortuary pics There's a bit of 'work' going on there (OK at speed!)
And IMHO the facials (!) were done after 'The Rest'

[Mascara & Paranoia]

The abdominal mutilations were the rush job; the facial work was probably a bit botched too as he'd cut through her gum as though perhaps he slipped with the knife. I thought the facial mutilations were done afterwards too and out of frustration due to the mess he'd made, but I don't think it was said that she had any, uh, 'mess' on her face which there very likely would've been as Jack's hands would have been a bit messy (there's that word again ).

[Ally]

Ally, I like you because you can be just as irreverent and as much of a smart a** as I am, so please halt the sanctimonious stuff....

No. Don't wanna.

I noticed that people had no issue continuing to slag me after I said I was moving on from posting here,... if you think the "Honorable thing" is to do that, or to put yourself as someone above all that, I would differ in opinion.

Yes but I didn't slag you off after you said you weren't posting here anymore and you chose to respond to MY post, not actually the posts of those who slagged you off.

I countered slags, sorry that offends you.

No you didn't. You responded to me, and I didn't bring you up at all.

But you know full well that youve posted far worse comments about people yourself on these threads.

Oh yep, no question. And I don't whine when I get called a bitch either. Tend to take it as a compliment actually. It's the people who go around acting like total dicks and then crying when they are called it that really make me nuts.

[Ally]

Blue Wizzard,

I didn't choose to respond to your questions because they were either erroneous or were hypothetical.

Who knows if MJK was actually a victim of the ripper. Asking it is useless, you'll get a different response from everyone. If Jack killed Mary and Jack wanted to leave messages on the wall, he probably would have. Which if you believe that you should then discount the GSG and conclude that if Jack killed Mary Jack didn't tend to write messages. There is no proof that Jack actually wrote letters, any of the letters so what was written in them is erroneous for attempting to determine what Jack did in the room.

[c.d.]

Ally, your posts are always highly amusing and usually right on the money.

Gotta love that Ally.

c.d.