FBI pulls the plug on Colin Wilson

[Ashkenaz]

That's not what you said - you said "several stab-wounds" initially. Not that it matters: if one said there were "several" stab-wounds or "several" knife wounds, the statement would still be incorrect..

Yes, that is what I said initially, and I have since modified my original statement to several knife wounds in order to avoid confusion. This has recently been explained to you.

As I have pointed out more than once, there was one stab-wound to the groin, and two flaps of flesh cut into the thighs. .

Yes you have said this more than once. Now I will say this again too, the victim sustained several knife wounds to the vaginal area. This is factually correct, and is in accordance with the dictionary. You however have decided that the dictionary is not to your liking, and have decided to disallow one meaning option for the word several. Well guess what - you cant.

Evidently these cutting, slicing wounds (to areas other than the vagina) don't suit the idea that he was "screwing" her with his penis-substitute knife. That must be upsetting for those who swear by such absurd symbolism; however, it doesn't give them license to ignore or distort the evidence..

I have never distorted the evidence. Amongst many other injuries, there were several knife wounds to the vaginal area. This is correct, go consult the dictionary.

I'm not trying to rewrite the dictionary or redefine the language - on the contrary, I'm just sticking to the facts.

Yes you are. You are attempting to disallow one of the various options for the word several, one of which is "few".

[Cap'n Jack]

Sam, why do I love you?

[Sam Flynn]

Here, I'll say it again. The victim sustained several knife wounds to the vagina.

That's not what you said - you said "several stab-wounds" initially. Not that it matters: if one said there were "several" stab-wounds or "several" knife wounds, the statement would still be incorrect.

As I have pointed out more than once, there was one stab-wound to the groin, and two flaps of flesh cut into the thighs.

Evidently these cutting, slicing wounds (to areas other than the vagina) don't suit the idea that he was "screwing" her with his penis-substitute knife. That must be upsetting for those who swear by such absurd symbolism; however, it doesn't give them license to ignore or distort the evidence.

I'm not trying to rewrite the dictionary or redefine the language - on the contrary, I'm just sticking to the facts.

[Ashkenaz]

There was only one stab-wound. To the groin. .

The doctor describes a stab injury, and another which may have been a stab,slash or hack. As I have pointed out above, having found the source, I modified what I had previous said at post50, to - several knife wounds/injuries. This is necessary as it avoids all confusion.

Here, I'll say it again. The victim sustained several knife wounds to the vagina.

Even if there were two, "two" does not mean "several". .

It is not your place to decide the meaning of English words, nor is it mine, or anyone elses. If you dont like the language, then go use another. Several can be a few in my dictionary. Why not type several into your word processor ? Then select thesaurus. I'm sure " few" will come up there as well- it does in mine.

Your adherence to the idea that there was some penetrative, coital symbolism in the wounds inflicted upon the Ripper's victims is touching, but with the best will in the world, it is not supported by the facts.

It is not touching. That's way too romantic. It is simply a possibility. A possibility I agree with, as do many others.

[Ashkenaz]

No, you said here that at least one of the Ripper victims was stabbed several times in the vaginal area. This is not true, on both counts. She sustained one stab-wound to the groin, and that's that.

You are correct. I did say that at post44 in this thread. . At that point I was working from memory. I had correctly remembered that a victim had been stabbed in the vaginal area.

A little while later at post47 you will read that I said, that if I found the source, that I would refer you to it. Later, having found the source, and subsequently, having re-read it, I modified what I had previously said. At post50, I said that there had been several knife injuries to the vaginal area, modifying what I had previously said.

It certainly is true that Eddowes sustained several knife wounds to the vaginal area.

If you do not wish to acknowledge that two things are a few things, and that the dictionary defines several as a few for one option, then this is your affair. Similarly you seem unable to agree to another obvious thing, namely, that the groin IS the genital area. I can’t see why you choose to do this, but carry on if it pleases you.

[Sam Flynn]

Once again two are a few, and a few, according to my dictionary are several.

There was only one stab-wound. To the groin. Even if there were two, "two" does not mean "several".

Your adherence to the idea that there was some penetrative, coital symbolism in the wounds inflicted upon the Ripper's victims is touching, but with the best will in the world, it is not supported by the facts.

[Sam Flynn]

Once again you misquote me. I did not say that one or two equate to several.

No, you said here that at least one of the Ripper victims was stabbed several times in the vaginal area. This is not true, on both counts. She sustained one stab-wound to the groin, and that's that.

[Ashkenaz]

Irrespective of what your dictionary says, since when did "several" equate to "one or two"?.

Once again you misquote me. I did not say that one or two equate to several. I gave my dictionary's definition for several. It clearly states that several, are a few. Would you agree that two are a few ? If so, then you can then accept that a few are several.

No - I'm questioning your interpretation of the evidence. "One" stab wound does NOT mean "several". In terms of its being in the vaginal area, it's simply "one" - or quite possibly "none", because it was reported as being in the groin. .

There may have been one or two stab wounds, one may have been a slash/hack call it what you wish. It is better to refer to two knife wounds.

Once again two are a few, and a few, according to my dictionary are several.

[Ashkenaz]

The groin is that part of the body bounded by the creases of the thighs, according to its proper definition .

And what is to be found between the creases of the thighs ?

You are wrong and you know you are, and so are reduced to clutching at straws. The groin is certainly in the genital area. Any reasonable person would agree with that.

Indeed, but speaking as a psychology graduate it's perhaps not so much what I "wish", as what I've "learned".And they'd be very much of the old school, or at least as naive as the general populace, for whom "psychology" is something not too far-removed from astrology and cold-reading.

Perhaps those psychologists who belive that some of jtr's mutilations were sexually motivated, are as you say- of the old school.

But if several dozen of them believe it, then I am right in saying that "many" psychologists believe that some of jtr's mutilations were sexually motivated. This is what I said before. I dont understand how anyone could disagree. It is so obviously correct.


I'm fairly sure the figure would be greater than several thousand though.

[Autolycus]

Accuracy of Profiling

Morning Everyone.

I attach a link to an article in today's Daily Telegraph. Given the discussion on this, and other threads regarding profiling, it is relevant reading.

As a matter of interest, my own view is that profiling can be of assistance in focusing the enquiry but that it should never be accorded the status of a quantative science.

In addition, it seems to me that when an enquiry runs aground, unorthodox "outside of the box" theorising can also be productive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3853506/Rachel-Nickell-Will-we-ever-get-inside-the-criminal-mind.html

Regards.

[Sam Flynn]

So, in your opinion, my dictionary's definition of the word "several" is nonsense.

Irrespective of what your dictionary says, since when did "several" equate to "one or two"?

Or perhaps you think I am dishonest, and that my dictionary says no such thing.

No - I'm questioning your interpretation of the evidence. "One" stab wound does NOT mean "several". In terms of its being in the vaginal area, it's simply "one" - or quite possibly "none", because it was reported as being in the groin. The other wounds beneath that region (comprising flaps of flesh cut from the hips to the the thighs) were not stabs, but slices.

[Sam Flynn]

The groin is in the vaginal area - for females.

The groin is that part of the body bounded by the creases of the thighs, according to its proper definition - which is what Dr Brown would have known, and used. That being the case, it's possible that the wound was nearer the hip than the genitals. If the wound was in the vaginal area, Brown would not have held back from saying so - anymore than he'd have felt inclined to substitute "naughty-bits" for "labia".

I think that many psychologists would agree that jtr's mutilation of the victims was sexually motivated. You of course, may believe what you wish.

Indeed, but speaking as a psychology graduate it's perhaps not so much what I "wish", as what I've "learned".

If only 10% of them agreed with me, there would still be many psychologists who agreed with me.

And they'd be very much of the old school, or at least as naive as the general populace, for whom "psychology" is something not too far-removed from astrology and cold-reading.

[Cap'n Jack]

'I have to take the trash out..'

Just make sure you don't thrust it into the bin.

[Ashkenaz]

Ash, old bean, I was referring to your good self and not the Whitechapel Murderer in the quote you posted. That you might be somewhat confused between a knife and a penis..

Actually I have never been remotely confused in identifying either my penis, nor a knife.

But anyways pop over and read my thoughts on Pitchfork, where I say that there is no motive, sexual or otherwise, to such crimes as we discuss, but rather provocation.
I wish you a merry burning of beards.

I shan't bother reading your musings at pitchfork old chap - I think I'll deny myself this pleasure, besides, I have to take the trash out..

[Cap'n Jack]

Ash, old bean, I was referring to your good self and not the Whitechapel Murderer in the quote you posted. That you might be somewhat confused between a knife and a penis.
But anyways pop over and read my thoughts on Pitchfork, where I say that there is no motive, sexual or otherwise, to such crimes as we discuss, but rather provocation.
I wish you a merry burning of beards.