How many mediums have "found" JtR?

[Normy]

Hiya all

What makes anyone think that if they ever managed to get in touch with a spirit, it would be duty bound to give a truthful answer?

Cheers

[halomanuk]

It depends on the spirit encountered Normy and the spirits that are grounded or come in visitation to the place you are investigating.

As with the living,the personality remains the same in spirit.

[Mike Covell]

I have known spirits to lie.
I was once watching glass divination, with a medium and group and the first spirit that came through gave us his name, and told us he had been executed for a crime. He then gave us loads of verifiable information, but upon researching it, it appears he told the truth in only a couple of questions, and all the biographical information was his brother!

Some lie, some are truthful, but researching will often discover who has been untruthful.

[Normy]

Isn't it also possible that spirits might be telling you what they think is true but isn't?
I mean like the one telling details of his brother but might be remembering what it thought was about itself.
After all, who knows for sure what the spirit world is like?

Cheers

Normy

[halomanuk]

Thats why it is always advisable to check the history thoroughly of the location you are going to investigate,so you can be partly forewarned.

As Mike says,some spirits do lie or exaggerate,especially if a ouija board is used (totally NOT recommended),where you can bring anything through,good or bad.

[joelhall]

I have known spirits to lie.
I was once watching glass divination, with a medium and group and the first spirit that came through gave us his name, and told us he had been executed for a crime. He then gave us loads of verifiable information, but upon researching it, it appears he told the truth in only a couple of questions, and all the biographical information was his brother!

Some lie, some are truthful, but researching will often discover who has been untruthful.

how do you know the spirit was the one doing the lying?

[steje73]

And in a possibly futile attempt to get back on topic...

Derek 'Kreed Kafer' Acorah probably went for Maybrick in a misguided attempt to bring more renown to Liverpool or some such thing. Who knows how the orange buffoons mind works?

Vic Reeves kept inadvertantly feeding the 'medium' on his JTR show information so if you believe in that sort of thing then he was buggering the 'mediums' chances of getting it right. Also, I suspect he went for Tumblety because it's quite a Vic-Reeves-y sort of name anyway.

If any 'medium' can prove conclusively that they have the ability they claim to posess, then they can be let loose on the JTR stuff. But not one of them has. Ever.

[halomanuk]

Maybrick was the safe option for Acorah at the time,he was still a popular suspect then.

[Mike Covell]

Vic Reeves kept inadvertantly feeding the 'medium' on his JTR show information so if you believe in that sort of thing then he was buggering the 'mediums' chances of getting it right. Also, I suspect he went for Tumblety because it's quite a Vic-Reeves-y sort of name anyway.

Plus the "medium" was an Ex Police Officer! Wouldn't he have a basic knowledge of what went on?

Hi Joelhall,
I researched the venue before hand and found out a lot of information about the family, this gets tyoed up on an encrypted pendrive (all of my work does) and only gets printed off an hour before we leave. It is then locked in my metal equipment case, until the investigation.

Info that comes through during the investigation is also researched after the fact.

Our medium is told we have an investigation, but never where and we send him the postcode when we arrive, so he can get there. People often say, "He can research the venue on the way!", which would mean he would have to drive and surf the web. He gives us about 50% of what is going on, usually more.

We use other forms of divination such as glass divination, and pendulum divination to enable us to get a response. This usually backs up what he has said, but has been at odd's on occasion.

I stand in the corner quite. If they get a yes, I stay quite, if they get a no, I stay quite. This ensures I am not leading them with questions.

If we have a guide for the evening, such as the owner, or caretaker, they will stand out of the way in silence, so as not to affect the outcome.
Occasionally, if they know who is coming through, we will let them ask questions.

Some venues we visit, I am unaware of the history, until I research it afterwards, which leaves me in the dark!

In most cases, after an investigation, I will visit local studies with a list of results, more often than not, I will get help from the staff, who are equally interested.

After all the findings from the evening are correlated, and all the facts from the research venues are collated, we can see what was truth and what was a lie. I have found that spirit only lie, if they are afraid because they have committed a bad act in life.

[Uncle Jack]

To be honest, a lot of the psychic investigation into the ripper has become quite a bit of a laughing stock, what with Acorah's antics and that rubbish by the ISPR team. Because of this, I am very reluctant to share the info that came from my team's investigation of the ripper sites, as I think it would be open to ridicule and that is something I don't personally want cos I don't wanna be another PC!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Uncle Jack,

Then why mention it in the first place?

Regards,

Simon

[Pippin Joan]

I was rather disappointed in Pamela Ball's psychic investigation, even though I'm pretty much a skeptic about those sort of things. It seemed she had read several Ripper books and set up a scenario where there were several people out doing the job, with all the suspects in her all-star cast. Nothing new, nothing that wasn't plucked from a book. Her victims were equally unreal.