Two things that don't make sense!

[Steve F]

By some accounts. By others she was stout. My guess is that we wouldn't bat an eye at her today.

Cheers,

Mike

Mike,
Yeah they didn't have page 3 etc then
However,in 1888 she could've been London answer to Kelly Brook!
Steve

[Roy Corduroy]

Saving one's bacon: Protect oneself, Save one's own skin

Thanks, Michael, but protecting oneself from what? Saving own skin why? How is that necessary?

Roy

[The Good Michael]

Ben's well-argued thoughts have to do with the possibility that Hutchinson thought he was going to be blamed for Kelly's murder, so he came forward with a statement, just in the nick of time, so that he could take the heat off himself.
Ben argues this very well and with complete logic. Though I argue against it, I admire his logical approach to this component of the case.

Cheers,

Mike

PS. I hope I represented your side okay, if in brief, Ben.

[Ben]

You have indeed, Mike, and my appreciative thanks for the kind words.

All the best,
Ben

[The Good Michael]

Ben,

You know I'm only sucking up because I want a Ripper friend in Korea

By the way, remember that guy you contacted re: acting opportunities? I saw him on a terrible Korean drama. He played a disconsolate drunkard who was grieving over the loss of his children. There was a scene in which he was reunited with them and he cried. It was so cheesy. He went from being drunk in one camera to a soaking wet, tear-streaming face in another camera a few seconds later. the Koreans don't know how bad the acting was, but it made me sick. They have split screens in these docudramas which show the Korean celebrity audiences looking sad and going oooh and aahh all the time as they view the videotapes of this crap.

Cheers,

Mike

[Ben]

Sounds painful, Mike!

I'm glad in retrospect that I dodged that bullet, although I was looking forward to playing third thug from the left in Monster Kung Fu Dragon: The Legend IV.

All the best,
Ben

[celee]

Those are 2 good questions, although the answer to one can be surmised fairly easily. Only George Hutchinson said he stood in the rain watching the court,.. Sarah Lewis saw a man wearing a wideawake hat watching the court. Only GH said he walked from Romford that day. ONLY GH saw a man with Astrakan cuffs that night with Mary Kelly, and only GH and Carrie Maxwell said they saw Mary Kelly out of her room and alive after 11:45pm November 8th. GH's suspect is removed from being suspect of record by Nov 15th, and as of the 16th, the police sought a man with a Blotchy complexion seen with Mary before midnight on the 8th.

Best regards.

Hi,

I am not suggesting you are wrong, However, I wonder why. Maybe the more time that they spent talking with George the more of a flake he seemed to be. I suspect since Abberline believed his story at first Hutchinson must have acted in some way to discredit him.

I can't understand why Blotchy face became the main suspect. If this is true, the Detectives are dismissing the cry of oh murder that two witnesses heard. If I was working the case, I would find it interesting that two people heard a cry of oh murder the night that Kelly was killed. I would not care how common a cry it was. I guess they felt that Cox was a real crediable witness, I do too, but they still must have considered the possibility that the time of Death was after 3:30.

To answer the questions. If it is true that George gave Kelly money from time to time then I would be willing to bet that he was a client of hers. He may have developed feelings for her. It is not uncommon for men to develop feelings for women in the sex trade. He may have just been spying on her. He may have been waiting for her client to leave so he could aproach her for a date. He may have been concerned for her saftey just like he claimed or he could have been fibbing about the whole thing, and yes, Ben, he could have been Jack the Ripper.

I have no answer concerning why she was allowed to fall so far behind on the rent. There are many possibilities. I guess the idea that springs to mind is he liked her. However it was not just Kelly he was letting fall behind on the rent, it was Joe as well. They may have just been likable people and the landlord may have just been trying to work with them.

Your friend, Brad

[The Good Michael]

Brad,

but we don't know that they were behind in the rent. We only have Mcarthy's statement that that was the reason Bowyer was sent 'round. My belief is that she was behind on Mcarthy's share of her evening's take. After all, she had Blotchy and then went out again according to one witness. These old-style slumlords were getting money anyway they could. They seem to have been common hustlers who owned property, or properties in Mcarthy's case. It may be significant that Mcarthy had connections to other properties that are affiliated with other victims, such as Crossingham's and Chapman.

Though this isn't the thread for it, Barnett may have been Kelly's pimp, and she liked the arrangements with Mcarthy better and threw HIM out rather than his leaving. Speculation obviously, but there is much darkness surrounding Miller's Court and it isn't just because of a broken gaslight.

Cheers,

Mike

[Salome]

One of the things that Fiona Kendall-Lane has said is that Jack McCarthy was a night owl and used to watch the court, for a very good reason - she didn't expand on that. If that was the case then I think he was probably monitoring which women were bringing men home and then sending Bowyer round to collect his cut. I believe that Millers Court was mostly a brothel.

[anna]

Hi Salome


I'm 100% with you on those points,especially about him wanting a cut of their earnings so he watched the court to see what they were up to..
well,he wouldn't want to be done out of a few pennies,after all,he had all that property plus the rents he had coming in,how could he possibly survive without taking a cut of the few pennies the women earn't.
He was a scumbag,and I definitely wouldn't want him amongst my rellies.

ANNA.

[Salome]

And don't forget the fencing that probably went on in the chandler's shop!

[anna]

Hi Salome,
Do you think he would have been pawning items in the shop,out of interest?

ANNA.

[anna]

...I am asking this,because I was thinking,that was an area where Kelly could come into the equasion,as she had the pitch outside the Ten Bells,and could do a bit of business amongst the locals,on McCarthy's behalf...mentioning,"I know a bloke who can help,if you're short of a bob or two" sort of thing..
Perhaps she did this,and the McCarthy's turned a blind eye to her rent arrears as she was handy and put a bit of money their way????
Just an idea to put past you!
ANNA.

[The Good Michael]

Let's be fair. Fiona never said Mcarthy was totally nefarious. It seems he was about making a buck wherever he could, and that is what the lodging houses were about. I can see him questioning some of the ladies of the Court and at least raising the rent a bit if he knows that they are about solicitation, and a bit more if they are using their rooms as locations of operation. I can even see him suggesting that he help them in their endeavors. After all, a relative owns Crossingham's and this gives the ladies a couple (at least) of safe areas to ply their trade, only a man can only be awake so long, and there's bound to be some moments when the Court isn't watched too carefully.

Cheers,

Mike

[Salome]

Enter Hutchinson! (Maybe)