What was Jack`s local newspaper ?

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  • Tom_Wescott
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 6996

    #16
    That's what I'm saying to you.

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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    • nicole
      Detective
      • Feb 2008
      • 100

      #17
      Hi Tom,

      Why have I never come across this before then? Is there a contemporary source?

      Nicole
      ---------------------------------------------------
      "We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. And there will be more of your children dead tomorrow."
      - Ted Bundy

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      • Tom_Wescott
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 6996

        #18
        You haven't read all the sources I have or (for shame!) all of my posts on the subject. And yes, it's mentioned in the papers. Right here on the Casebook's own press reports section. I can't recall if this detail appears in a book, but if it does, it would be in Begg's The Facts.

        Yours truly,

        Tom Wescott

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        • nicole
          Detective
          • Feb 2008
          • 100

          #19
          Hi Tom,

          Thanks, I'll check it out! (The Stars' editors must've been delighted with this free advertisement!!)

          Nicole
          ---------------------------------------------------
          "We serial killers are your sons, we are your husbands, we are everywhere. And there will be more of your children dead tomorrow."
          - Ted Bundy

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          • Sam Flynn
            Casebook Supporter
            • Feb 2008
            • 13332

            #20
            Originally posted by Soothsayer View Post
            I agree, the Liverpool Echo would be an obvious choice for him ...
            ...he might have read the London Echo, though, whose claim to fame was that it was the first halfpenny daily newspaper.
            Kind regards, Sam Flynn

            "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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            • Cap'n Jack
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              • Feb 2008
              • 1497

              #21
              So the assumption is that the killer was lower-class, and resident in a common lodging house, where they wouldn't have stretched to The Times.
              That is some assumption.
              I'd like to hear the evidence for such a wide-sweeping assumption.
              Perhaps the killer was middle-class, subscribed to The Lancet, and even wrote letters to that publication, as well as The Times.

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              • Natalie Severn
                Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 4863

                #22
                Whatcha Cap"n! thats interesting about The Lancet.I didnt know he wrote to the Lancet as well....!And I agree---why assume the ripper was working class?

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                • Jon Guy
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 3154

                  #23
                  Hello Natalie and Cap`n

                  My fault.

                  My initial question began if the ripper was literate and local...

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                  • Sam Flynn
                    Casebook Supporter
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 13332

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Cap'n Jack View Post
                    I'd like to hear the evidence for such a wide-sweeping assumption.
                    Likelihoods, AP, rather than evidence. Statistically speaking, one would expect Jack not to have been an habitual Times reader, because there were comparatively few of them around, against vastly more who read the Star (for example), and others still who subscribed to no newspapers at all.
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • Cap'n Jack
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                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1497

                      #25
                      Natalie, yes he did.
                      Sam, I'd like to know the statistics for the nephew of a senior police officer at Scotland Yard who often advertised in The Times, lost gold watches and the like, in 1888, and that his nephew would not have come across The Times in 1888 when his uncle was advertising in the paper?
                      I'd say it was on the desk.

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                      • Natalie Severn
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 4863

                        #26
                        However Sam,the one suspect who caused the greatest stir in a National newspaper ,which took the unprecedented step of naming him [virtually] as "Jack the Ripper " was Thomas Cutbush .This immediately had Commissioner Macnaghten rushing to deny it a week later [in 1894] ---presumably because Cutbush was related to a Scotland Yard, "Chief of Police",ie Chief Supt. Charles Cutbush . And Thomas Cutbush was very middle class indeed.He was also known to have carried a vicious looking Bowie knife,bought in the Minories, used to carry out his later Kennington street stabbings,in 1891.Very middle class and very dangerous to be at large. Placement in the loony bin in March 1891 when Ripper files were closed.
                        Last edited by Natalie Severn; 09-11-2008, 12:10 AM.

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                        • Sam Flynn
                          Casebook Supporter
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 13332

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Cap'n Jack View Post
                          Sam, I'd like to know the statistics for the nephew of a senior police officer at Scotland Yard who often advertised in The Times, lost gold watches and the like, in 1888, and that his nephew would not have come across The Times in 1888 when his uncle was advertising in the paper?
                          I'm not sure I understand the question, AP, but whatever it is, I'm sure I'd like to know the answer too.
                          Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                          "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                          • Tom_Wescott
                            Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 6996

                            #28
                            I personally don't think the Ripper lived in a lodging house and have no problems with him reading the Times. I think he read whatever he could about the murders, particularly the inquests, and the Times had better inquest coverage than most of the cheap rags.

                            Yours truly,

                            Tom Wescott

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                            • Sam Flynn
                              Casebook Supporter
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 13332

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Natalie Severn View Post
                              Thomas Cutbush was very middle class indeed.He was also known to have carried a vicious looking Bowie knife,bought in the Minories, used to carry out his later Kennington street stabbings,in 1891.Very middle class and very dangerous to be at large. Placement in the loony bin in March 1891.
                              Indeed, Nats - but proportionately how many more dangerous men were there, who lived or worked in that area who belonged to the tabloid or non-newspaper-reading "classes"?
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • Cap'n Jack
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                                • Feb 2008
                                • 1497

                                #30
                                Ten, Sam, and they were all called John McCarthy.

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