The Double Event and the 'break': what was he doing?

[cats meat man]

Hi Fisherman
Before I discovered my JtR suspect,James Hardiman I was always curious about George James Morris,Kand T's night watchman and ex Metropolitan policeman.That still applies now yet I still have to establish exactly what his involvement in the Whitechapel murders was.Whenever I read about George Morris something in my subconcious keeps ringing alarm bells.I stress that this is just a theory of mine and Jack may well have committed the murders on his own but there is still the possibility of an accomplice or even a gang involved in my opinion.As for the deal or driving forces I favour the possibility of one accomplice and perhaps the threat that should Jack have been caught that person would then become an accessory.Have you seen the 19th Oct 1888 letter that mentions that the crimes were committed by an ex Metropolitan policeman and signed 'An Accessory'?Could this letter be an attempt to put George Morris into the frame.It isn't the only letter to suggest that all was not as it seems with Kand T's night watchman.On the other hand,he could be completely innocent of any sinister involvement in the Whitechapel murders and was involved only in the way detailed in the accounts that we already know about.Like I say,it is just a theory but I do believe that it is possible that somebody was acting as a lookout in Mitre Square and maybe other locations.
All the best
Rob

[Fisherman]

Hi Rob!

Thanks for leading the way a bit further into your thinking! I have seen the letter you mention, but I must admit that I had not coupled it to Morris. I can see why you do so, though.
Myself, I do not have the feeling about Morris that you have, and I still find it very unlikely that Jack would have been hiding out in the warehouse. If he did do that, he must have left it, rag in hand and knife in pocket, with the square and its surroundings swarming with police and journalists, and made for Goulston Street. And I fail to see why he should have opted for the warehouse not being searched from top to bottom.
Anyway, Rob, thanks for elaborating on it!

The best,
Fisherman

[Stephen]

The reason for the gap explained!

Everyone discuss's the cut apron at Mitre Square. Why cut off , WHY TAKEN, WHY DROPPED. To clean his knife....no.....his knife had been dirty many times before....when it got messy he'd wipe each side on the victims clothes and leave.
Here is why he cut it off.

In the mess of the Mitre murder his hand slid over the handle,the blade sliced through his gloves, which he always wore ,and badly cut his fingers.
He is bleeding now......he knows he must not lead a trail of blood behind him, no matter how small.....so he cuts off some apron, after wiping his knife on the rest of it , takes off his glove (which he puts in his right pocket) he puts the knife away and wraps the cut off apron around his cut fingers...he leaves.
Reaching Goulston street he throws away the apron as he is nearing home now...at Dorset street he washes the wound and goes home to wrap it in a clean cloth. His hand is out of action now.....doesn't heal enough to hold a knife, or masturbate, until the 9th of November....., hence the longist period between killings , hence the ferocity....when his hand was injured he could not masturbate the way he liked...imagining his last victim, reliving the butchery...until the last victim became boring....then he would find a fresh one to see in his masturbation fantasies.

[Fisherman]

Hi Stephen!

Well, we can all go home now, I guess...?

Actually, I like your idea on the bandaging the hand. But I´m afraid it won´t hold up very well. The weak part about it is that such a profusion of blood that comes from a cut to the hand would probably have bled through a couple of layers of that apron. But we know that the examining doctor said that "some" blood was found on it, not that it was soaked with blood. Other reports seems to have stated that there were smears of blood and faecal matter on the apron, and that it tallied well with wiping a knife on it.
On the trip to Dorset Street, washing the hands in a sink, that is a trip you will have to do without me. I suggest major Henry Smith as suitable company. I´m sure you will find him a fascinating character.

The best,
Fisherman

[Pinkerton]

they would have searched it...

I find it almost UNTHINKABLE that the police wouldn't have searched that warehouse TOP TO BOTTOM. Otherwise they would have been the most incompetent boobs in the history of the police...After all the murder happened only a matter of feet from the warehouse AND the door was wide open! None of us are trained policemen and probably every last one of US would have searched the warehouse, and probably every house within the block.

So if George Morris was involved it wouldn't have been to allow the killer to "hide out" in the warehouse but more likely he would have served as a lookout. Or perhaps he would have allowed the killer to briefly enter the warehouse in order to flee through another entrance/exit. Was there another exit besides the front door from the warehouse? I don't know the answer to that. If there WAS an exit out on to Duke Street that would definitely be a convenient escape route.

Not that I think George Morris WAS involved. It's just a hypothetical observation.

[Mitch Rowe]

He'd have had a heck of a long wait, Rob! The easiest explanation to believe is that the Ripper got out of Mitre Square as quickly as possible, dumped the apron shortly thereafter, and Long simply missed it the first time round.

Right.. Its not like Richardson who said He looked at that very spot afterwards and he knew he had looked at that very spot before and Annie wasnt there.
I dont think anyone with a brain is going to hang around hiding anywhere.

[Monty]

Collards states that he had the neighbourhood seached, seeing as this included the empty Cottages, seeing as Pearce was knocked up, seeing as Watkins checked the security of Heydemanns Yard, logic would dictated that the Warehouses were also checked.

Besides, Mitre Square was closed off to the public, by the Police, till Mid Sunday morning. This to control the crowds and to give Foster room to compile his map.

If Jack was there, he was there till around 11.00am Sunday.

Monty

[Stephen]

Hi Stephen!

Fisherman

Hi everyone

[sam]

I think that he went to a public house and played Darts, that would explain where the chalk came from that he used to write 'the juwes' message on the wall with.

[Uncle Jack]

Is it possible (despite the MASSIVE risks) that he went and tried to find another victim? Just remembered a certain PC (can't remember his name) who came across a suspicious man who was accosting a prostitute and he arrested him and the higher ranked officers didn't bother to check the man's black bag. I know it is unlikey considering the whole of Whitechapel was swarming with coppers but maybe he was trying his luck for a possible "triple event".... or double event, if you discount Stride, as I do.

Best regards,

Adam

[Mascara & Paranoia]

If Jack did write the graffiti where Eddowes' apron was found, then I'm assuming he didn't carry chalk around with him wherever he went, so maybe he went home to tuck his souvenirs (the removed organs) away safely, get changed and went back out to claim or disclaim Liz as one of his victims by chalking the "Juwes" message. Dumping the piece of bloody apron would've been his way of telling the police that it was him who wrote the graffito. Could explain the break.

[BLUE WIZZARD]

What would stop him from leaving more messages with chalk why stop at the ally?

[Mascara & Paranoia]

Seeing as I don't think Stride is a Ripper victim anymore, on account of her having apparently been killed by a different type of knife and that her throat wound didn't quite match that of Nichols, Chapman and Eddowes, I wonder what Jack was doing in Aldgate (or thereabouts)?

I've always thought Jack was a local man who lived in Whitechapel and this kind of solidifies that theory as he headed back into Whitechapel to dump the apron after ripping Eddowes. Why else would he choose to discard the apron in Whitechapel otherwise? Unless he did it to claim her as 'the Whitechapel murderer's' handiwork. But he seems like the type of killer who wouldn't particuarly care about taking the credit for 'trivial' things like that and only seemed passionate about the mutilations.

Did he work in Aldgate or socialise there and killed Eddowes on his way home or something? That could be a [morbidly] funny reason for his botching her innerds up, having drank a bit too much prior to doing so. Or maybe he ventured out that way after hearing about the Stride murder and deemed Whitechapel too risky to carry out his little hobby, fearing he'd get nicked by the filth?

I'm not really sure what point I'm getting at here (or that I even have one ), but I just got thinking after reading about the Double Event a few minutes ago.

[Monty]

M 'n' P,

I wonder what Jack was doing in Aldgate (or thereabouts)?

As Sharks hunt their prey, Jack did his.

He didnt choose the pick up location, his victims did.

Monty

[Mike Covell]

M 'n' P,



As Sharks hunt their prey, Jack did his.

He didnt choose the pick up location, his victims did.

Monty

I thought he was making a giant symbol on a map?