How one man could've changed so much

[Blackkat]

Good point I've heard many sounds by my neighbors at night and knew it wasn't them, turned out to be animals. That's what I thought at the time too. Certainly glad I didn't find a body in that area the next day.

By the way --- I haven't seen you (maybe you are posting in strings I haven't been in. Was missing Leather Apron! Glad to see ya!)

[caz]

Hi Folks,

If Albert had been curious enough to look over that fence and witness Annie's murderer in pre, mid or post-rip, but still unable to help catch or identify him, would we now have posters saying she was not a ripper victim because he was always careful not to be seen or heard while in the act or when making good his escape?

As it is, Annie's murder is pretty much universally accepted as the work of the ripper. And yet the argument we hear so often lately about this killer being silent and invisible whenever it really mattered completely ignores the fact that he had no control whatsoever over whether or not Albert would pop his head over and become the only witness who undoubtedly saw the ripper with one of his victims.

Therefore it's sheer nonsense to exclude victims from the ripper's tally on the basis that he would never have given anyone (just like Albert) the opportunity to catch a glimpse of him in action.

Love,

Caz
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[Robert]

Hi Caz

I think he had a certain amount of discretion - he wasn't to know that Cadosche would be taken short at that particular moment. I can imagine Jack thinking "Who the bloody hell is this?" as Cadosche comes along, and then, on Albert's second appearance, "I don't belieeeeve it!"

[joelhall]

... though as it seems cadocshe could hear something going on, even his presence didnt stop the killer in his tracks.

[Mitch Rowe]

... though as it seems cadocshe could hear something going on, even his presence didnt stop the killer in his tracks.

It could have been Cadosch did disturb JTR. There were no facial mutilations. And I think most of us are pretty sure JTR was interested in that. The front door of 29 Hanbury was described as having the of being flung open as if someone left in a hurry. The best thing Police could have done was to put Cadosch back in the same spots where he was when he heard the sounds and then try different things. Like closing the back and front doors and ask him if that was the sound. Having an officer actually fall against the fence and other things. Maybe they could have found something out.

All we have now is:
Cadosch heard something. Maybe Annie falling against the fence?

[Dan Norder]

It could have been Cadosch did disturb JTR. There were no facial mutilations. And I think most of us are pretty sure JTR was interested in that.

We have no idea when he first became interested in facial mutilations. I think it's strange to try to account for pretty much any difference between murders as being the result of continuous supposed interruptions. Most killers don't do all the same things to every victim they have based upon some fully formed idea of what they'd do to every victim right from the very beginning, so I don't know why so many people keep expecting Jack to be so completely different from the rest.

And not only is there no reason to think Cadosch would have interrupted Jack by waling around, but it's clear from his testimony that whoever was doing the talking from whichever yard it was in didn't stop whatever it was they were doing based upon his movements. Plus we don't know Chapman's time of death, and Cadosch could have come by long after it was already over.

[caz]

Hi Caz

I think he had a certain amount of discretion - he wasn't to know that Cadosche would be taken short at that particular moment. I can imagine Jack thinking "Who the bloody hell is this?" as Cadosche comes along, and then, on Albert's second appearance, "I don't belieeeeve it!"

Hi Robert,



Oh I’m sure Victor Meldrew, sorry, Jack, did have a certain amount of discretion, otherwise he would not have confined his attacks to vulnerable unaccompanied females at night and away from the main thoroughfares, and would probably have been caught.

But you make the point for me: ‘he wasn’t to know’ who or what could have spoiled his fun at any moment at any of his crime scenes, whether Albert with his dodgy landing gear posed a threat or not. It was impossible for him to know. He wasn’t exactly operating on a desert island and he didn't have eyes in the back of his head or ears on fifty foot stalks. But you'd think so from the way some posters (not you or Mrs Warboys I hasten to add) argue that he would never have done this, that or the other, or never have allowed this, that or the other to happen. It's all a load of Cadosche.

Love,

Caz
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[Jon Guy]

Hello

If Albert had looked over the fence, and it was the Ripper with Annie, I would speculate that the Ripper would have took a swipe at him and legged it down the hall. If Albert was up for it he may have raced down his hallway to the street and at best could have pointed the running man out to anyone who was in the street. I believe the Ripper would have ducked and dived and disappeared. But, I reckon Al` would have gazed for a second or two at Annie givivng the escapee a vital few seconds to flee.

Going against the Ripper would have been an I.D. by a witness, and if anyone was standing ahead of where the Ripper was running and saw the commotion behind him, may have attempted to stop or follow him.

So, at best he may have been caught, and at worse, an accurate I.D. which may have put off more murders.

[caz]

Indeed so, Jon. And we would now have a glut of posters insisting that the killer who was careful not to be seen with Polly could not have been the man who was so careless with Annie.

All down to Albert.

Love,

Caz
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