The kidney removal of Catherine Eddowes.

[Patrick Differ]

We are talking 1888 here, surely the organs would have just been ripped out when the animal was slaughtered and hung upside I dont think it would take a great deal of skill to do that

In the UK, kosher butchers (also known as shochets) do not require a specific license to slaughter animals for kosher consumption.

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Not true Trevor. There was a Board of Shechita that consisted of the 5 Kosher Butchers on Butchers Row and overseen by Rabbi Adler. They took this very seriously in 1888.

[Doctored Whatsit]

The problem with the continuing suggestion that JtR was a shochet is, I believe, that the knife they traditionally used had a flat straight tip. The standard British butcher/slaughterer used a sticking knife, 6 to 8 inches long, and pointed. This is the weapon described by police surgeons as being expertly wielded by the ripper.

[Patrick Differ]

The problem with the continuing suggestion that JtR was a shochet is, I believe, that the knife they traditionally used had a flat straight tip. The standard British butcher/slaughterer used a sticking knife, 6 to 8 inches long, and pointed. This is the weapon described by police surgeons as being expertly wielded by the ripper.

Hi Doc..the shochet could do all of it as they taught all of it. The flat knife or chalaf would not have been used and i agree on the sticking knife. The shochet taught other butchers how and why they needed to keep their tools constantly sharp. It was an integral part of the profession and kosher process.
My suggestion is that this butcher was not a shochet but still a kosher butcher.

That said a Shochet has never surfaced in 136 years. The only Kosher Butcher that has so far surfaced is Jacob Levy. He got progressively more psychotic starting in 1886 and upon his release in 1887 was living in humiliation. By 1890 he was readmitted.

Was Levy the Ripper or was it someone like him living in the same area? Are those records still in existence or sitting in an asylum somewhere? Who knows.

[Doctored Whatsit]

Hi Doc..the shochet could do all of it as they taught all of it. The flat knife or chalaf would not have been used and i agree on the sticking knife. The shochet taught other butchers how and why they needed to keep their tools constantly sharp. It was an integral part of the profession and kosher process.
My suggestion is that this butcher was not a shochet but still a kosher butcher.

That said a Shochet has never surfaced in 136 years. The only Kosher Butcher that has so far surfaced is Jacob Levy. He got progressively more psychotic starting in 1886 and upon his release in 1887 was living in humiliation. By 1890 he was readmitted.

Was Levy the Ripper or was it someone like him living in the same area? Are those records still in existence or sitting in an asylum somewhere? Who knows.

If you agree on the use of a sticking knife, why is it still a kosher butcher that is your suspect? If it was a sticking knife, and I believe that was the police surgeons' opinion, all we have is the suggestion that JtR was an experienced butcher/slaughterer.

[Trevor Marriott]

It was simply an opinion with no evidence to support that opinion. They had to say something to explain away the missing organs; they could hardly go public with the fact that the organs could have been taken while the bodies were left for long periods of time before the post-mortems. The public would have been up in arms

and one question I keep asking, which posters seem not to want to answer, is if it was the same killer for Eddowes and Chapman, why do we see clear anatomical skill being used to remove the uterus and its appendages from Chapman and less anatomical skill shown in the removal of the organs from Eddowes?

The bodies were taken to 2 different mortuaries, and a modern-day gynaecologist has gone over the post-mortem reports and has indicated that two different methods of extraction were used in the removal of the uteri from both victims.

And why, if the killer was organ collecting, why take another uterus from Eddowes when he had a perfect specimen from Chapman?

This butcher theory is a dead duck in my opinion.

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