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  • Simon Wood
    started a topic Dr. JOHN REES GABE'S TWIN BROTHER: A WHO'S WHO

    Dr. JOHN REES GABE'S TWIN BROTHER: A WHO'S WHO

    Hi All,

    There has been a lot of confusion about Dr. John Rees Gabe.

    Here is some stuff I collected in the course of writing the second edition of "Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders." It is surplus to my requirements, so please use it as you see fit.

    DOCTOR JOHN REES GABE AND HIS TWIN BROTHER—

    In 1846, in Merthyr Tydfil, Rees Gabe [b.1822/3] married Ann Harries [b.1826].

    25th August 1849. "Rees Gabe, late of Pontmorlais, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Cordwainer [shoemaker]—in the gaol of Cardiff." London Gazette. Insolvent Debtors.

    In the 1851 Census [name transcribed as Gape], Rees Gabe was a Boot & Shoemaker. He and Ann had three children — Lemuel [6], William [4], and Mary Ann [2].

    On 1st November 1853, at Pontmorlais, Merthyr Tydfil, Ann Gabe, wife of Rees Gabe, now Innkeeper of the Lord Raglan, 119 High Street, Merthyr Tydfil, gave birth to twins, John Rees Gabe and Benjamin Gabe.

    The family appears to have moved establishments.

    Merthyr Telegraph, 6th December 1856—

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    And then moved back again.

    Merthyr Telegraph, 28th July 1860—

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    John Bernard Gabe [b. 1854] was the son of Merthyr Tydfil builder, John Gabe [b. 1802].
    John Gabe [builder] was the brother of Innkeeper Rees Gabe. There was 20 years between their ages. See 1897 funeral below.

    The 1861 Census lists seven children—Mary Anne [11], William [13], Joseph [8], Benjamin [7], John [7], Elizabeth [6], and Henry [1]. No mention of Lemuel; but a Lemuel Gabe died in Birmingham, 1925, aged 79, [b.1846], which is a close match.

    22nd June 1861—

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    In the 1871 Census, the twins are now aged 16.
    John Rees Gabe was a Clerk, and Benjamin Gabe a Plasterer.
    Their siblings are—Elizabeth [13], Henry [11], Rees [9], Rachel [4].
    No mention of Mary Anne [now 21, she married in 1868], William [now 23, he married in 1866], Joseph [now 18, he didn't marry until 1874].

    April 17th 1875. John Rees Gabe, Middlesex Hospital. Passed primary examination for Royal College of Surgeons of England.

    In 1877, at Pontardawe, John Bernard Gabe married Annie Rosser.

    On 17th November 1879, John Bernard Gabe, L.S.A., Merthy Tydfil, was admitted to the Royal College of Surgeons of England.

    On 30th March 1880 "John Rees Gabe M.R.C.S.E. and L.S.A.L." married Marion Lucy Senior Fincham at St. Stephen's Church, Hounslow.

    3rd February 1881, at Apothecaries' Hall, London, John Bernard Gabe, Morriston, near Swansea, passed his examination in the Science and Practice of Medicine, and received a certificate to practice

    In the 1881 Census, the occupation of John B[ernard] Gabe is given as General Practitioner LSA [Licentiate of the Society of Apothecaries]. He is married to Annie Gabe and living with his mother-in-law Margaret Rosser and her two children, Jenny and John]. They have no children of their own.

    1881 John Rees Gabe is living at 21 Church Street, Spitalfields, E. International Medical Congress member.

    On Tuesday, September 6th, 1881, the Foundation Stone of the Masonic Hall, Merthyr Tydfil, was laid with Masonic honours. The architect was "J. Gabe, Builder."

    1884 Medical Directory. Gabe, John Bernard, The Laurels, Morriston, Swansea—L.F.P.S. Glasg. and L.M. 1881: L.S.A. Lond. 1881; (Middlx.); Mem. Brit. Med. Assoc.' Surg. Collieries, Foundries, and Chem. Works; Med. Ref. Star, Gen. City, and other Assur. Socs.

    1885: John Rees Gabe passes the M.D. Brux. [Brussels] examination with distinction.

    1885: John Rees Gabe, MD, MRCS, LSA, Listed as a Fellow of the British Gynaecological Society. Address, 16 Mecklenburgh Square.

    The Times, 8th April 1885—

    Announcement of the death of Harry [Henry] Gabe aged 24 at the home of his brother J.R. Gabe, 16 Mecklenburgh Square. Medical student at the London Hospital. Family living at Cefn Coed-y-Cymmer, South Wales.

    1887. John Rees Gabe, London Hospital E.— LSA 1876 [Lond. Hosp.]. Clinical Assistant London Hospital. Late Assistant Resident Medical Officer Stamford Hill &c. Disp. and Junior House Surgeon, Poplar Hospital.

    The Times, March 29th 1888—

    John Rees Gabe is reported as surgeon to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Young Children.

    In the 1891 Census, [name transcribed as Jabe] the occupation of John B[ernard] Gabe is given as Surgeon. [He is still married to Annie Gabe and living with his mother-in-law Margaret Rosser and her two children, Jeannie and John]. They live at Llangyfelach Road, Swansea. They have three children—Howell [6] wrongly transcribed as a servant, Beryl [4] and Thana [2].

    In the 1891 Census, the occupation of John R[ees] Gabe of Mecklenburgh Square, London, is "Only Registered Medical Man General Practitioner." He is living with his wife, Marion, and their three children, Caroline [10], Winifred [7] and Ivor [5]

    1892. John Rees Gabe's wife, Marion Lucy Senior Gabe, dies, age 37.

    1895 [approx.] John Bernard Gabe becomes a trustee of the Libanus Church.

    9th March 1897. John Gabe [builder] dies, aged 82. The funeral is held on Monday 15th March.
    John Bernard Gabe, from Morriston, is reported to be his son.
    Rees Gabe is reported to be his brother.
    Amongst the many Gabes attending the funeral, travelling in the third carriage, is "Dr. Gabe, London.” Being the son of Rees Gabe, this makes him the nephew of John Gabe [builder].

    In 1898, John Bernard Gabe filed a US Patent—

    UNITED STATES PATENT OFFICE.

    JOHN B. GABE, OF SWANSEA, ENGLAND [sic].

    DESIGN FOR A THERMOMETER-CASE;

    SPECIFICATION forming part of Design No. 30,225, dated February 21, 1899. Application filed November 19, 1898. Serial No. 696,938. Term of patent 14 years.

    To all whom it may concern:

    Be it known that I, JOHN BERNARD GABE, a subject of the Queen of Great Britain, residing at Morriston, R.S.O., Swansea, in the county of Glamorgan, England, have invented and produced a new and original Design for Thermometer-Cases, of which the following is a full, clear, and exact description, reference being had to the accompanying drawings, forming part thereof.

    My new design is illustrated in the accompanying drawings, in Which Figure 1 is a face View, and Fig. 2 an edge or side View, of the thermometer-case.

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    In the 1901 Census, the occupation of John B[ernard] Gabe is given as Surgeon. [He is married to Annie Gabe. Mother-in-law Margaret Rosser is now deceased [1885], and her two children have moved on. They now have five children—Howell [16], Bergh [14], Thaisa [12], Vincent [9], and Leslie [Joseph] [3].

    There is no 1901 Census entry for John Rees Gabe, nor his daughters Caroline and Winifred Agnes, who, in 1919, registered with the Royal British Nurses Association. His son, Ivor Stanley [15], was a student. He went on to become a Royal Navy Surgeon Commander in Australia. In 1943, he died in London, age 58. His next of kin was his wife, Ada Gabe, ChalÍt Blanc, St. Jean-de-luz, France.

    On 3rd April 1902, Dr. John Bernard Gabe, of Morriston, South Wales, was entertained by a number of his fellow citizens at a banquet, when an address expressing high appreciation of his services during a professional career in the town of twenty-eight years was offered to him. A presentation was made at the same time, consisting of a silver tea and coffee service, silver kettle and tea tray, a case of twelve silver spoons and sugar tongs, a silver-mounted ebony walking stick, and an album with the autographs of the subscribers.

    In 1907, John Bernard Gabe came before the General Medical Council [see cutting]. He was cleared in June 1908.

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    John Bernard Gabe died in Swansea, 6th July 1908, age 54 [b. 1854].

    Leslie Joseph Gabe (1898-1923). M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P. (Eng.). [Epsom College 1910-1915. Rugby XV] was the son of Dr John Bernard Gabe, of Morriston, South Wales. He received his medical education at the Middlesex Hospital. During the First World War he served as a Naval Rating (1915-1918) and died in 1923 as a result of active service. He was aged 25 years.

    Here is Leslie Joseph Gabe's headstone—

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    John Rees Gabe died on 2nd March 1920, age 67 [b.1853].

    John Rees Gabe's twin brother, Benjamin Gabe, a plasterer, died in Pontypridd, 1925, age 72 [b. 1853].

    Regards,

    Simon
    Last edited by Simon Wood; 04-17-2017, 10:03 PM. Reason: spolling mistooks

  • David Orsam
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    Thank you Simon.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    Whatever makes you happy.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Not actually an answer to my question but close enough, thank you. So you must think it was pure coincidence that he was employed at a dispensary in close proximity to Dorset Street?

    And I assume you still think he turned up at Millers Court for some unknown and unfathomable medical reason connected to a child who did not exist and then abandoned that non-existent child to examine the dead body of Mary Jane Kelly.

    Nah, you know what. I think it's far more likely that he was there because he was employed as the resident medical officer at the dispensary just around the corner.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    I do not believe that Dr. Gabe being employed at a dispensary in close proximity to Dorset Street was the reason for his being called to attend at the examination of the body of Mary Jane Kelly during the afternoon of 9th November 1888.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Very good. So do you accept that his being employed in a dispensary in such close proximity to Dorset Street might have been the reason for his being called to attend at the examination of the body of Mary Jane Kelly during the afternoon of 9 November 1888?

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    But more sense than you.

    So Dr. Gabe did not arrive in the morning.

    "No point in him being there any earlier."

    Quite so.

    It's very interesting how you're fitting together the pieces of this puzzle.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi David,

    Your mission, Mr. Phelps, is to place Dr. Gabe in Millers Court on the morning of 9th November 1888.

    But in doing so, you have to ask yourself why anyone would want to waste an hour-and-a-half or more of the good doctor's valuable time at the London Dispensary when entry to Room 13 wasn't until 1.30 pm, when, allegedly, John McCarthy took a pick-axe to the door, and the corpse became available for examination.
    Now, you're not making much sense; either that or you've answered your own question. The door was broken open at 1.30pm and Dr Gabe arrived shortly thereafter. No point him being there any earlier. Dr Bond had probably already been sent to Millers Court by Scotland Yard prior to the breaking open of the door. Hence there's no mystery as to why someone starting out in central London might arrive at about the same time as someone starting out from just over the road.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    Your mission, Mr. Phelps, is to place Dr. Gabe in Millers Court on the morning of 9th November 1888.

    But in doing so, you have to ask yourself why anyone would want to waste an hour-and-a-half or more of the good doctor's valuable time at the London Dispensary when entry to Room 13 wasn't until 1.30 pm, when, allegedly, John McCarthy took a pick-axe to the door, and the corpse became available for examination.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi David,

    Ridiculous to you, certainly.
    And ridiculous to anyone who understands the English language. The press report I cited - which is, of course, unconfirmed as to the facts - doesn't even say that Bond arrived before Gabe. They could, on the face of it, have arrived at precisely the same time. Or the journalist might have been listing the doctors who arrived after Phillips in order of seniority. Not that it matters because we have no idea when either Bond or Gabe heard that they were wanted and set off for Millers Court.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    Ridiculous to you, certainly.

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    You may be taking the word 'resident' too literally.

    Why did he not arrive in Millers Court until after Dr. Bond at 1.50 pm?
    No, I don't think I am taking the word 'resident' too literally Simon.

    I wasn't aware that any record was actually made of the time of Dr Gabe's arrival in Millers Court. I'm sure you can't possibly be referring to this press report:

    "The whole space was closely packed with detective officers, and quite a small army of plain-clothes constables was located in Dorset Street within an astonishing short space of time. Dr. Phillips, the divisional surgeon of police, soon arrived, and was followed by Dr. Bond, of Westminster, divisional surgeon of the A Division, and Dr. J.R. Gabe, of Mecklenburgh Square; and two or three other surgeons."

    That would be ridiculous.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    You may be taking the word 'resident' too literally.

    Why did he not arrive in Millers Court until after Dr. Bond at 1.50 pm?

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • David Orsam
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    Well the good news, Simon, is that we can now place him as the resident medical officer of the dispensary at 21 Church Street on the morning of 9 November 1888. And, furthermore, we can physically place him as being very close to that location - within short walking distance in fact - on the same morning.

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi David,

    I'll accept it when Dr. John Rees Gabe can be placed at the London Dispensary, 21 Church Street, on the morning of 9th November 1888.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Last edited by Simon Wood; 04-18-2017, 10:52 AM. Reason: spolling mistook

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