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Old 11-03-2017, 09:47 AM
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Is a Bayonet that much different....





From an amputation knife?

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I could do with a ruler in those pictures, Dave, but I'm guessing that an amputation knife stuck on the end of a rifle would look fairly puny.
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Hi Sam,

They both come in many sizes...but I do remember Don Rumbelow's "Ripper Knife" and Lance Corporal Jones' Bayonet not being too dissimilar in size.

I just think we can't rule out the possibility the postmortem being tailored to the witness sighting which could have been a load of nonsense.
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Hi Sam,

They both come in many sizes...but I do remember Don Rumbelow's "Ripper Knife" and Lance Corporal Jones' Bayonet not being too dissimilar in size.

I just think we can't rule out the possibility the postmortem being tailored to the witness sighting which could have been a load of nonsense.
Hi DD
I’m no expert on knives but I think the surgical knife is not as sturdy or large as a dagger or bayonet, both which are used for thrusting and stabbing as opposed to cutting and disecting.
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For what its worth, this is a period military issue penknife/claspknife.




This is the 1888 military issue bayonet.

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Hey Abby, Jon,

That contemporary bayonet certainly looks more sturdy than Jonesey's....they certainly wouldn't like that up em.

I'm sure with just about every new book claiming a "modern look" at the crime, someone, somewhere must have done some cadaver work on the type of blades mentioned?
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Hi Dave.

Of course, there's no guarantee what type of bayonet Killeen had in mind, British or European. There was an earlier version similar to the one above which was a single-sided blade with a stout back. The older bayonets were still around but they were long, too long to use as a practical weapon.
Killeen did say "dagger" which normally means double-sided as I show, but we can't be sure.
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For what its worth, this is a period military issue penknife/claspknife.




This is the 1888 military issue bayonet.

Did you inherit those bayonets Jon
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But, Chapman and Nichols didn`t say "I`m off to find a man for money".
Chapman may have been looking for Ted Stanley to borrow some money, and Nichols may have been looking for whomever bought her drinks earlier in the evening.
I think Jon that Annie admitted to being out to "earn" her doss and feeling terrible while doing so, I don't believe there are any grounds to assume that she meant anything else but solicitation, and that Polly admitted to "earning" and then drinking those earnings before she saw the confidante she confessed to. Seems like she was enjoying herself too.

I don't see any other references within the C5 that confirm that activity on the respective murder nights.
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I think the bayonet was suggested because it may have been broader, studier and double edged. Many bayonets of the period were.
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