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Old 06-29-2016, 03:37 AM
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"On Saturday afternoon a gentleman engaged in business in the vicinity of the murder gave what is the only approach to a possible clue that has yet been brought to light. He states that he was walking through Mitre square at about ten minutes past ten on Friday morning, when a tall, well dressed man, carrying a parcel under his arm, and rushing along in a very excited manner, ran plump into him. The man's face was covered with blood splashes, and his collar and shirt were also bloodstained. The gentleman did not at the time know anything of the murder.’ (Daily News (U.K.), 12 Nov, 1888)"
Hi Mike,

This is interesting!

The Daily Telegraph, Tuesday, 2 October, 1888:

"a man was, later in the day, brought to the Leman-street Police-station by a constable who found him prowling about not far from Mitre-street. His face was haggard, and he seemed unable to give any account of himself. Upon him were found 1s 4½d in money and a razor, and round his throat was a woollen scarf of a violet colour, upon which were several long hairs, supposed to be those of a woman." (1 October 1888)

Echo, London 1 October 1888:

A man was brought to the Leman-street Station last night, under circumstances which gave the police hopes at first that they had made an important capture. He was arrested, it seems, near Mitre-court, and could not give what the police deemed a satisfactory account of himself. He is a short, thickset man, of about thirty, close shaven. Upon him was found 1s. 4½d. in money and a razor, and round his throat was a woolen scarf of a violet colour. In reply to the Inspector he said that he had walked from Southampton, and belonged to the Royal Sussex Regiment (the very regiment, it will be remembered, whose cognisances was on the envelope found in the pocket of the Buck's-row victim). An examination of his boots was not, so the police at first said, at all confirmatory of this statement, and he was taken to the cells for inquiries to be made about him. No blood was found upon his clothes, so far as could be ascertained then. He protested his innocence, and the police now attach no importance to his arrest. He will, no doubt, be discharged. There was another arrest made during the night in the Commercial-road. Nothing, however, was discovered concerning him, and the man was discharged.

Imagine that this man was Jack the Ripper, he could have been arrested for the first time after the Double Event when he returned to the crime scene Mitre Square. And after the Kelly murder he was seen near Mitre Square for the second time? The second arrest mid-October 1888 in connection with the bloody shirts found in Batty Street? And for the third time, after the Kelly murder, "when it turned out that that it was the third time he had been arrested on suspicion of being "Jack the Ripper"?

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Hi Karsten,

Very interesting. I see one issue for these being the same person. In the Echo (Oct 1) it states the man is short, while the post-Kelly article has the man as tall. What do you think?

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Thanks Mike,

I must admit that I hadn't realized "tall" and "short", sorry. My focus was more on Mitre Square/ Mitre Street.

Now I think it wasn't the same man (found by a constable on 1 October) seen by the Mitre Square witness after the Kelly murder. But perhaps the tall man is the second man from the North London News & Finsbury Gazette article. It would make more sense...

But who knows, maybe the first man (Commercial Street Police Station) is one of these five men arrested after the Double Event :

“During last night and to-day no less than five men were arrested in the East End of London in connection with the murders. Three were at different times conveyed to Leman street Police Station... two men detained at Commercial street (Police Station)..."

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../18881002.html

The violet scarf man (Leman Street Police Station):

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../18881001.html

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../dt881002.html

A man arrested a third time... terms such as "funny" and "comic"... I don´t know... perhaps the police could not believe that this man is responsible for the Ripper murders...

Karsten.
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