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Default Quick question about Buck's Row

Trying to understand the geography of the place.

If I understand the map correctly, a few meters East from where poor Polly was found, is some kind of overpass, right?

How dangerous would it be to jump on the tracks, as a way to escape the scene of the crime? (I'm not promoting the idea, again, just trying to understand the location.)

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Good question, I've often wondered that too.
If the railway tracks that ran below were in a cutting with sloped sides, it might have been possible, but from what I can tell, it is more or less a vertical drop now. Not sure about in 1888 though. Here is a Google Streetview snap from the road in front of the murder site.
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another image from a different angle.

Funny you should mention trains, are there any archives of train times in the area for 1888 or thereabouts?
I google searched for this the other day without success
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Police considered the idea at the time. They looked for marks on the wall to see if somebody had scaled it. They also checked the railway line for signs of someone escaping that way.

Doesn't mean the killer did not escape that way, just that they found no evidence of it.
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Thanks for the pictures. It's clearer now.

And thank you DrStrange for the precision about police research.
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If I remember correctly, one of the residents of Buck's Row mentioned hearing a goods train at around the time of the murder. Are you thinking that the killer escaped by performing a death defying leap into a handy open box car full of hay or soft furnishings as the train passed underneath?
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Perhaps the murderer met the fate of Alec Guinness at the end of "The Ladykillers."
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The Echo 6 Sept (from the Press Report here on Casebook click )

"It has been ascertained that on the morning of the date of the murder a goods train passed on the East London Railway at about half-past three - the 3.7 out from New-cross - which was probably the time when Mary Ann Nicholls was either killed or placed in Buck's-row."

'Whitechapel' is at Buck's Row on the map. So 'out from New-cross' means the train was heading north to "Shoreditch."

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Were there any short cuts from Winthrop Street to Bucks Row.They ran parallel until merging.The witness Mulshaw was reported as night watching premises in Winthrop Street,and only about thirty yards,in a direct line,from the murder scene of Nichols.He reported he heard nothing.
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I think the railway "overpass" under Buck's Row/Winthrop St was added after 1888.
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