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Old 05-16-2008, 10:47 PM
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I never knew that Tom.What "things" might they have been do you think? Bedding/clothes------Letters from Ireland perhaps?
Like you I found this item Simon has brought up fascinating.
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Portions of the body and contents of the fireplace. After the photos were taken, a man left with a covered bucket. I imagine more trips than that were made for items other than the corpse itself.

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Hi Tom,

Sorry, I don't know anything more about the items taken from Millers Court to Phillips' house at 2 Spital Square.

It's interesting to note that the DT piece I previously posted was part of a much larger article which was included with the Home Office case files.

Here's another press article. This suggests that Phillips may have been treading a fine line between Whitechapel and Whitehall.

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Dr. G.B. Phillips, the divisional surgeon of the H Division, whose reticence is justified by an assurance he gave of secrecy, has copious notes of the result of the post-mortem examination, and with nearly every conclusion at which he has arrived, Dr. Thomas Bond, of Westminster, a well-known expert on crimes of violence, agrees. Dr. Phillips has only vaguely indicated to the local police the result of his investigations, but a report on the question has, it has been asserted, been jointly made by him and Dr. Bond, and submitted to Sir Charles Warren.

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So Dr Phillips was a crafty so and so then----not letting on to the local police what he was up to with the big shots!Shows Phillips up in a bit of a different light doesnt it ?
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Portions of the body and contents of the fireplace. After the photos were taken, a man left with a covered bucket. I imagine more trips than that were made for items other than the corpse itself.

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Thanks Tom.Were the findings ever made public do you know?
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You're jumping to conclusions a little there, Nats.

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they clearly didnt call him Bagster for nothing.......
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Hi Tom and Norma,

It's hard to know what Phillips took home from Millers Court. If it was body parts then he took them with him to the post-mortem the next day [see below]. Maybe he had an ice-cabinet at his home surgery. I think 1888 was too early for refrigerators.

The Times 12-11-88

"As early as half past 7 on Saturday morning, Dr. Phillips, assisted by Dr. Bond (Westminster), Dr. Gordon Brown (City), Dr. Duke (Spitalfields) and his (Dr. Phillips') assistant, made an exhaustive post-mortem examination of the body at the mortuary adjoining Whitechapel Church. It is known that after Dr. Phillips "fitted" the cut portions of the body into their proper places no portion was missing. At the first examination which was only of a cursory character, it was thought that a portion of the body had gone, but this is not the case. The examination was most minutely made, and lasted upwards of 2 hours after which the mutilated portions were sewn to the body, and therefore the coroner's jury will be spared the unpleasant duty of witnessing the horrible spectacle presented to those who discovered the murder."

It's interesting that in this account Bond was assisting Phillips, and not the other way around. Also that Phillips' "copious notes of the result of the post-mortem examination" have not survived and all we are left with is Bond's report.

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That is interesting Simon. So Dr Phillips"s notes have disappeared as well as,presumably, his comments on what had been found out about the contents of the fireplace that were placed in a bucket.I know Abberline scrutinised the fire place contents.I wonder if anything did turn up of note?
Again thanks for this information,it does seem to show Dr Phillips in a different light.
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Hi All,

Here's a possible clue to the topic of conversation between Doctor George Bagster Phillips and Charles Beilby Stuart-Wortley, Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, at the House of Commons on the evening of the Millers Court murder [November 9].

On November 10, the day after Phillips' meeting, the following notice was issued. It appeared in The Times, 12 November 1888

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And the following appeared in the Echo, 12 November 1888

"It is asserted that the Home Secretary's offer of a pardon to any accomplice was mainly at the instigation of Dr. G. B. Phillips, the Divisional Surgeon of the H Division, who pointed out to the authorities at the Home Office the desirability of such a step being taken."

Coincidence? If not, why would Her Majesty's Government take the advice of a Divisional Surgeon on the matter of pardons to accomplices?

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