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Old 12-07-2017, 01:29 PM
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John Bittrolff, a Suffolk county resident who was convicted of the murders of two prostitutes in 1993 and 1994, and is a suspect in the murder of a third woman from that time period, was named as a suspect in at least one of the LISK murders on September 12, 2017. Suffolk County prosecutor Robert Biancavilla released a statement noting that Bittrolf was likely responsible for the deaths of other women, and that there were similarities between the Gilgo Beach crime scenes and Bittrolff's known murders. Bittrolff was a carpenter who lived in Manorville, where the torsos of LISK victims Jessica Taylor and "Jane Doe No. 6" were recovered. The remains were discovered roughly three miles away from Bittrolff's home. He was also a hunter who seemed to enjoy killing and mutilating animals, and reportedly once "cut out the heart of a deer he had just shot and ate it raw in the woods". Neighbors also recalled him killing small animals when he was younger.[29][22] Another link between Bittrolff and the LISK case became apparent when it was revealed that the grown daughter of Rita Tangredi, one of Bittrolff's known victims, was reportedly "best friends" with Melissa Barthelemy, one of the Gilgo Beach victims. Barthelemy's mother also reported that Melissa "had a lot of calls to Manorville from her phone" at the time.[30][31]


I think they've got the guy.
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Case closed. Or even Caught.


I donít know?

Itís easy to point the finger at someone who has been caught for other murders.
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Case closed. Or even Caught.


I donít know?

Itís easy to point the finger at someone who has been caught for other murders.
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this guy is a known killer of prostitutes, with similarities to LISK victims. He lived in Manorville, LI where two known early LISK victims were found-and whose other body parts where found near gilgo beach near the other LISK victim bodies.

The prosecutor says that he is a suspect for at least one LISK victim as well as another womans murder.

This is the LISK.
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this guy is a known killer of prostitutes, with similarities to LISK victims. He lived in Manorville, LI where two known early LISK victims were found-and whose other body parts where found near gilgo beach near the other LISK victim bodies.

The prosecutor says that he is a suspect for at least one LISK victim as well as another womans murder.

This is the LISK.
Well they should charge him in a COURT not in the press.
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Well they should charge him in a COURT not in the press.
oh I'm sure they will.
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Sorry Abby but there just isn't enough to make the call yet whether Bittrolff is LISK. Not with the info we have atleast. However I should note that the daughter of Bittrolff's victim was friends with one of the Gilgo 4 and one of the Atlantic City 4 victims grew up around the corner from John Bittrolff in Mastic Beach, NY.

Also I have been informed that last bit about Melissa getting calls from Manorville is actually an error. It should read calls from Massapequa, a different town entirely where Melissa's phone last pinged (that we know of) and with no connection to Bittrolff.

And just for the record, I was very vocal about the 2 murders Bittrolff committed being part of the LISK series before he was ever caught.

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Sorry Abby but there just isn't enough to make the call yet whether Bittrolff is LISK. Not with the info we have atleast. However I should note that the daughter of Bittrolff's victim was friends with one of the Gilgo 4 and one of the Atlantic City 4 victims grew up around the corner from John Bittrolff in Mastic Beach, NY.

Also I have been informed that last bit about Melissa getting calls from Manorville is actually an error. It should read calls from Massapequa, a different town entirely where Melissa's phone last pinged (that we know of) and with no connection to Bittrolff.

And just for the record, I was very vocal about the 2 murders Bittrolff committed being part of the LISK series before he was ever caught.
Well what changed your mind?

And if he isn’t the LISK I’ll eat my hat.

Also, according Melissa mother, it was calls on her phone to manorville.
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Well what changed your mind?

And if he isnít the LISK Iíll eat my hat.

Also, according Melissa mother, it was calls on her phone to manorville.

Abby, Melissa's mother was mistaken. She confused Manorville with Massapequa. The Melissa B/Kim Raffo "coincidences" are insane. Have you read the newsday coverage of the bittrolff trial? If not I would highly suggest it as they include a lot more details.
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Abby, Melissa's mother was mistaken. She confused Manorville with Massapequa. The Melissa B/Kim Raffo "coincidences" are insane. Have you read the newsday coverage of the bittrolff trial? If not I would highly suggest it as they include a lot more details.
Thanks rocky
I’ll check it out.

But I’ll ask again.. if you originally thought the two murders he was convicted for was the Lisk what has changed your mind?

To me even with the little we know... it’s a no brainer. He’s the Lisk.
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Bittrolff took the one shoe and the AC Killer took the shoes. Also remember the AC lead homicide detective told the news at the time he knew the AC and LISK killings were linked, that's a fact. The last AC victim (and the one who was staying on LI just before her death) grew up like 3 blocks away from where Bittrolff grew up so they likely went to elementary school together. But how could Bittrolff have been in Atlantic City for the month span when all the girls were killed? His family says he was home at the time. I think it's unlikely Bittrolff could be LISK and not the AC Killer, it's all or nothing. And believe me I can make a more convincing case for Bittrolff as LISK than anyone. Still it's not enough to say for certain.

There are many aspects to the case and a lot of little dead end or lost trails. For one Bittrolff's family says he has no kind of connection to NYC as this case so clearly does but that doesn't mean Bittrolff isn't one of the "mongers" who drive all over long island, queens, brooklyn and manhattan looking for sex workers. I suspect he probably is. But I have heard Bittrolff's business partner was seeing Colleen McNamee.

Bittrolff did butcher animals in his shed, and there was a news story from the time of the arrest about a neighbor who was walking the dog and went over to say hi to John Bittrolff. The dog was barking and barking and barking and then Bittrolff came out of the shed with blood over his pants and said he was butchering an animal. I almost wonder if that was a dismemberment and he was that "in plain sight" about it.

But yes the LISK's graveyard is in Manorville close to where Bittrolff lived which is also too extraordinary. Personally I'm not convinced AC is the same killer either, but the detective was. I do have no doubt that all the bodies and parts dumped on Ocean Parkway and Manorville are the work of one SK.

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