Who was Jack's first murder poll!

[sdreid]

Who do you think was JtR's first kill?

[sdreid]

Please specify if not listed - other comments if you wish.

[babybird67]

location fits, age...still not sure but she would be my guess at the moment.

Nice poll Stan. :)

[The Grave Maurice]

After a few decades of NOT thinking so, I now think that, probably---say 51%---Martha was the first victim. Poor Emma was never in the running as far as I'm concerned.

[Frank van Oploo]

Nice poll, Stan.

Although highly speculative of course, I've chosen Annie Millwood. She didn't directly die of the attack, but the unexpected attack on her by a stranger, targeting some typical feminine parts with a knife remains very interesting (though disturbing too, of course).

Frank

[smezenen]

I chose other. But only becouse you did not specify species here. I have a feeling our man go this start killing animals or at the very least pulling the wings off of flies.

[sdreid]

Perhaps I'm wrong but when I think of murder, it's the unlawful taking of a human life. I used the word kill in my first post just not to sound redundant with the word murder in the title. In the lead question, I used it for the same reason but "Who" usually means a person unless you are maybe speaking of a pet, I think. Sorry if I was unclear.

[Howard Brown]

Dear Grave:

Out of curiosity, since I agree with you that Tabram is more likely to have been a Ripper victim than not...does any of your opinion being changed have to do with Pearly Poll's role in the affair ?

[perrymason]

Hi Stan,

For Jack the Ripper Id say Mary Ann Nichols. For the Whitechapel Murderer, rather Murderers,... Id say Emma. I think the "gang" that killed Emma is indicative of some types that were prevalent in the area, and independently they probably account for most of the 13 or 14 murders that are often suggested as possible Ripper crimes.

Some nasty types in there 2....maybe a Butcher, a Baker, or a Torso maker.

Cheers

[Fisherman]

Whoa! So far, that´s a landslide victory for Tabram...!
Of course, if my scenario for the Tabram murder holds true, then she WAS the first one, so there never was much of a choice for me...

The best, all!
Fisherman

[Sam Flynn]

Whoa! So far, that´s a landslide victory for Tabram...!
... perhaps we should re-label it a "Gullibility Poll" ;)

[Fisherman]

´t wasn´t Gull, Sam - I thought you had that one counted out...?

The best,
Fisherman

[The Grave Maurice]

...does any of your opinion being changed have to do with Pearly Poll's role in the affair?
Hi Howard,

Sorry, I somehow overlooked your post. I'm not quite sure what you mean by Pearly Poll's role. Without re-opening the whole debate, I've just become convinced that the time, location, victim, and weapon are just too similar to JtR's generally accepted murders to be ignored. I suppose what really tipped the scales for me was when I re-read Sugden a couple of years ago and noted (what I had obviously skipped over before) that he says the case for including Martha is "very strong". If it's good enough for Sugden, it's good enough for me.

[sdreid]

I thought it would probably be between Tabram and Nichols but the Tabrammers have come out of the box strong!:scratchchin:

[sdreid]

Btw, you likely noticed but the specified victims are in reverse chronological order. I neglected to mention that, if you care.:rolleyes2:

[kensei]

I voted for Tabram, but I think if the question was "Who did Jack's first attempted murder?" I would have voted Millwood.

[sdreid]

I think Millwood did die as a result of the attack. Doctors in 1888 knew less about medicine than an EMT knows now.

[Frank]

First murder, I'd say Tabram; first attempted murder Annie Millwood (or someone earlier who isn't known at the moment)

[smezenen]

Perhaps I'm wrong but when I think of murder, it's the unlawful taking of a human life. I used the word kill in my first post just not to sound redundant with the word murder in the title. In the lead question, I used it for the same reason but "Who" usually means a person unless you are maybe speaking of a pet, I think. Sorry if I was unclear.

Sorry i was very tired when I first read the poll question. You where clear enough bu ti already had animal torture on my mind from another case I Have been looking at. Anyway I think I will stick with my originl answer but defend it differently, here goes. I think it was someone not mentioned. Just as i dont believe any of the suspects that have been named to date. I think if we ever find out who JTR was we would probably find an earlier murder, possibly years earlier.

[sdreid]

Hi Smezenen,

Yes, I probably should have said Please Explain rather than "Please Specify" because his first murder victim could have certainly been some person that we have never heard of. Thanks for adding that angle.

[Uncle Jack]

I voted for Millwood, who I believe died because of the attack. This attack has all the hallmarks of Tabram's maiming.

[perrymason]

I voted for Millwood, who I believe died because of the attack. This attack has all the hallmarks of Tabram's maiming.

Which in and of itself should be enough to exclude Jack and include suspects who we know prefer to stab, were in the area, and why not throw in who may have multiple knives or daggers.:pleased: I dont think the evidence in the cases of Mary Ann or Annie suggest that a different knife was used, and I dont think that Kates dispatch suggested yet another blade profile.

Cheers mate

[Doppelganger]

Please specify if not listed - other comments if you wish.Can`t because I don`t think Jacks 1st is know to us.

[sdreid]

Hi Smezenen,

Yes, I probably should have said Please Explain rather than "Please Specify" because his first murder victim could have certainly been some person that we have never heard of. Thanks for adding that angle.

Thanks DG. I tried to address your issue in the above modifier.

[sdreid]

No votes for Fingers Freddy?:lol: