Murders of 1886/87/88/89/90/91/92???

[Uncle Jack]

Hi there. I am new to the boards and have been studying the Ripper case since around December last year, so deffo not a full "expert" yet. Lol.

Anyway I obviously know about the main victims featured on this site (the C5 and the others listed) but I have also found others during my research (IE: Catherine Mellowes, Mrs. Woolfe, the torso murders) and I was wondering if anyone has details of any other murders that happened around the 1886 - 1892 period in the East End / Whitechapel, that would be worth looking into?

Alternitively, is there anywhere online where murders that took place at these times be looked at?

I am really interested in studying more murders that took place in the East End, especially the Whitechapel area, and see if there may be some connected the the main Whitechapel murders.

Any help would be greatful.

Thanks

Adam

[Uncle Jack]

I am mainly wanting this info for a book I am currently writing.

Regards,

Adam

[Stephen Thomas]

Hi Adam

You've probably done this already but if not sign up to OLD BAILEY ONLINE and search for 'Murder' between Jan 1886 and Dec 1892.

[Sam Flynn]

Good tip from Stephen, there, but bear in mind that only those murders for whom a defendant had been brought to trial will be found in the Old Bailey records. You won't find any data on undetected/unsolved murders, rapes, assaults or manslaughter there, unfortunately.

[Uncle Jack]

Yeah I am mostly after the unsolved type but have been looking on the old bailey site and it is very interesting. Thanks for the tip.

Kind regards,

Adam

[Stephen Thomas]

but bear in mind that only those murders for whom a defendant had been brought to trial will be found in the Old Bailey records. You won't find any data on undetected/unsolved murders, rapes, assaults or manslaughter there, unfortunately.

Hi Sam

Yes, I realised that but forgot to mention it. Have you checked out the rape cases? The defendant seems nearly always to be found Not Guilty.

[Sam Flynn]

I know, Stephen - shocking, isn't it?

[Celesta]

I came across a very interesting case on the Old Bailey about a man who concocted an excuse to get into a young woman's house and then stabbed her in the throat. It was a rather proto-Jack sort of attack, or so it seemed. I haven't yet found out if he actually served his sentence. It was quite interesting. I'll post the link if anybody wants to look at the case.

[Frank van Oploo]

Yes, Celesta, please post that link - it sounds interesting.

Thanks,
Frank

[Celesta]

Hi Frank,

Here's the link. Go down the page to item # 1026. This is Joseph Carlin (age 22). Ref. # t18871024-1026. Have fun with it, Frank. Best, Cel

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?path=sessionsPapers%2F18871024.xml

[Frank van Oploo]

Thanks, Celesta!

[Sam Flynn]

I came across a very interesting case on the Old Bailey about a man who concocted an excuse to get into a young woman's house and then stabbed her in the throat. It was a rather proto-Jack sort of attack, or so it seemed. I haven't yet found out if he actually served his sentence.Joseph Carlin was still an inmate at Gillingham Prison, Kent, in 1891, Cel. Interesting find, though.

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[Celesta]

Thanks, Sam. I came across this a couple of weeks ago, but didn't know how to pursue whether he served his term and had set it aside. Thank you.

What is this document? From the Census, I take it?

To me this was a good example of the kind of other nutcases were out there at the time, or in the same general time as JTR.

Best,

Cel

[Mike Covell]

How weird is that! I transcribed this news report today,

9th October 1888 Eastern Morning News

EXTRAORDINARY AFFAIR AT CARDIFF
GIRL STABBED BY A TRAMP
A HOUSE PILLAGED
Last evening a tramp knocked at the door of a house on Adam Street, Cardiff, and asked the girl who answered it, and who was alone, for bread. She refused. He struck her in the face, followed her into the house, and having closed the door, dragged her to the stairs. Tying her to the bannisters, he stabbed her in three places with a knife. He then searched the house from top to bottom, securing all the portable property of value. When he had descended the stairs he again stabbed the girl, and quickly walked away. Up to the present time, he remains at large.

[Celesta]

How weird is that! I transcribed this news report today,






9th October 1888 Eastern Morning News

EXTRAORDINARY AFFAIR AT CARDIFF
GIRL STABBED BY A TRAMP
A HOUSE PILLAGED
Last evening a tramp knocked at the door of a house on Adam Street, Cardiff, and asked the girl who answered it, and who was alone, for bread. She refused. He struck her in the face, followed her into the house, and having closed the door, dragged her to the stairs. Tying her to the bannisters, he stabbed her in three places with a knife. He then searched the house from top to bottom, securing all the portable property of value. When he had descended the stairs he again stabbed the girl, and quickly walked away. Up to the present time, he remains at large.



How weird. They sound so similar. Carlin was also hanging out in the park when Esther first encountered her. The house was on Acacia street. The case I posted was from 1887 though.

[Sam Flynn]

What is this document? From the Census, I take it?Yes, indeedy. The names of the not-so-innocent either side of him I blanked out ;)

[Celesta]

Yes, indeedy. The names of the not-so-innocent either side of him I blanked out ;)

You are most considerate, Sir! :pleased:


Thanks, Sam.

[Ms. Fade]

Hi Adam

You've probably done this already but if not sign up to OLD BAILEY ONLINE and search for 'Murder' between Jan 1886 and Dec 1892.

Yes, do. But I warn you - you can lose hours and hours of your life on that website, it is completely fascinating!

[Uncle Jack]

I have been searching in vain for attacks and murders that took place in London during 1890. There must be some unexplained attacks and murders that took place in 1890 in London, I am sure but I am quite hopeless at finding anything at the moment! :lol: If anyone finds any or knows of anything, feel free to post here or PM me.

Regards

Adam