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Old 06-01-2012, 03:27 PM
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Hello Tom. Well, not according to Dr. Sequeira. He claimed that it was light enough without any additional light added. (Evans & Skinner, p. 208.)

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Old 06-01-2012, 03:30 PM
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Hello Christer. Hope that wasn't offensive.

I am used to that view, but seeing you go that route would be like seeing Gareth become a Maybrickian or Tom coming out in favour of van Gogh.

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Does anyone else think it a little odd that the killer chose that particular corner of Mitre Square? It was the darkest corner, perhaps, but it was also the closest to Mitre Street from which Pc Watkins would enter. Wouldn't the entrance to St James Passage have been a better bet, as it would have placed him closer to an escape route and given him slightly longer to react to the officer's approach? Did he perhaps gamble on the likelihood that the beats would not be reversed? Just a thought.

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Lynn:

"... seeing you go that route would be like seeing Gareth become a Maybrickian or Tom coming out in favour of van Gogh."

Haha! Watch that proportion sense of yours, Lynn! Itīs out of balance.

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Does anyone else think it a little odd that the killer chose that particular corner of Mitre Square? It was the darkest corner, perhaps, but it was also the closest to Mitre Street from which Pc Watkins would enter. Wouldn't the entrance to St James Passage have been a better bet, as it would have placed him closer to an escape route and given him slightly longer to react to the officer's approach? Did he perhaps gamble on the likelihood that the beats would not be reversed? Just a thought.

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Hi Bridewell

Of course since we know so little about the possible identity of the killer, it is always treacherous to try to impute thoughts and motives. Nonetheless, and here I doing just that (!), the darkest corner of the square might have been chosen both because of the darkness but also the thrill knowing a bobby might approach at any moment.

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Hi All,

"Ripper Corner" in Mitre Square enjoyed direct line-of-sight from the end of Church Passage at its junction with Duke Street.

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Who's to say that the two people seen by Lawende actually were Eddowes and her nemesis?

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I canīt help but to think that it would have been primarily the prostituteīs choice. If the killer started going "Nah, I would prefer that corner over there", I am inclined to think that the prostitute would get nervous.
There was also the wooden gate in that corner, and it has been suggested that these gates were preferred spots for prostitutes, giving way slightly during sex and making it a bit more comfy than a brick wall.
The wooden gate and the darkness would in combination make for a useful "transaction spot" I think, and therefore my guess is that Eddowes led the way.

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Old 06-01-2012, 05:07 PM
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Hi Fisherman,

Do you not think that the wooden palings, metal hinges and latch might have squeaked and groaned in ecstasy?

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Old 06-01-2012, 06:52 PM
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Quite possibly, Simon. But who would care? Besides, Kate never got to test it, by the looks of things.

Myself, Iīd be more wary of splinters in unwanted places.

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Old 06-01-2012, 07:01 PM
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Hello Christer, Simon. Well, if I were Kate, the first order of business would be taking a wee wee and eating a sandwich, hey?

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