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I am working on a book (or possibly series of books) about the victims. It will not be about "who was Jack the Ripper?", but very much about "who were these ladies?".

I have some material that I think may be new to most researchers, and hopefully will be able to offer something that is a useful reference.
Hi Azarna,

This all sounds very interesting. I hope it goes well for you and we get to see the results of your labours.

I am particularly interested in Catherine Eddowes' time in Wolverhampton. If there is anything from that period of her life you feel you could share, I'd love to see it.

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Azarna, What new information do you have that is not in Neal's book?

MrBarnett. According to Neal's book, Catherine was born 14 april 1842 at Graisley Green Wolverhampton sixth child of George and Catherine, A year later the family moved to London on a barge up the Thames. The mother died of TB in 1855 and the father two years later.
Catherine's sister Harriet wrote to her aunt Elizabeth in Wolverhampton to try to get her sister Kate a job. So Kate went back to Wolverhampton to live them and worked as a scourer, also a tin plate metal worker
Read Neal's book.He spent a lot of time researching it and talking to descendants.

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Azarna, What new information do you have that is not in Neal's book?

MrBarnett. According to Neal's book, Catherine was born 14 april 1842 at Graisley Green Wolverhampton sixth child of George and Catherine, A year later the family moved to London on a barge up the Thames. The mother died of TB in 1855 and the father two years later.
Catherine's sister Harriet wrote to her aunt Elizabeth in Wolverhampton to try to get her sister Kate a job. So Kate went back to Wolverhampton to live them and worked as a scourer, also a tin plate metal worker
Read Neal's book.He spent a lot of time researching it and talking to descendants.

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Miss M.,

I've got it and I've read it. It says very little about Kate's return to Wolverhampton. I have also researched it independently over a number of years and not found anything more of any significance.

My own ancestors were living nearby in the 1850s/60s. They were horse slaughterers who came from Whitechapel (working at the Winthrop Street* yard) and one of them would later return to London and work for Harrison Barber. The Eddowes family home in Bilston Street was very close to the livestock market.

None of this was in Neal's book, so perhaps there's still more to discover.


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* Then Little North Street.

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Local papers are good sources for stories,has anyone looked? But the sad thing is unless the poor appeared in court or were involved in an accident,or politics,records are scanty as there are no letters or journals. Kate's life was mundane, like thousands she lived in obscurity. Only the murder has made her interesting. I cant see anything significent popping up at this stage but you never know.

Of course MK is the holy grail of ripper research.

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According to Neal's book, Catherine was born 14 april 1842 at Graisley Green Wolverhampton sixth child of George and Catherine, A year later the family moved to London on a barge up the Thames. The mother died of TB in 1855 and the father two years later.
Interesting.....how does that square with what John Kelly was reported as telling the Echo 3rd Oct;
"The murdered woman, he added, was, like himself, a Londoner. She was born at Bermondsey."
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Azarna, What new information do you have that is not in Neal's book?

MrBarnett. According to Neal's book, Catherine was born 14 april 1842 at Graisley Green Wolverhampton sixth child of George and Catherine, A year later the family moved to London on a barge up the Thames. The mother died of TB in 1855 and the father two years later.
Catherine's sister Harriet wrote to her aunt Elizabeth in Wolverhampton to try to get her sister Kate a job. So Kate went back to Wolverhampton to live them and worked as a scourer, also a tin plate metal worker
Read Neal's book.He spent a lot of time researching it and talking to descendants.

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The bit about the move of the family from Staffordshire to the 'City on a barge up the river Thames' intrigues me. Since the word city is capitalised, presumably that means they disembarked somewhere between Tower and Blackfriars bridges.

That seems strange enough, but that they utilised the Thames at all in a journey from Wolverhampton to London is even stranger.

The obvious route would have been via Birmingham along the Grand Union Canal. Was there a diversion of some kind that brought them to a stretch of the navigable Thames?

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I believe it has a link to the Regents Canal, which connects to the Thames at Limehouse.
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I believe it has a link to the Regents Canal, which connects to the Thames at Limehouse.
It does indeed, but did narrow boats come down from Birmingham along the Grand Union and then, via the Regents Canal, continue into the Thames and through the Pool of London into the City to drop off passengers?

And even if they did take that rather circuitous (and dangerous) route, why would you not say they travelled to London on a barge along the Grand Union Canal, rather than 'up the Thames'?

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Interesting.....how does that square with what John Kelly was reported as telling the Echo 3rd Oct;
"The murdered woman, he added, was, like himself, a Londoner. She was born at Bermondsey."
Hi Joshua,

There's no question that Kate was born in Wolverhampton, but she spent much of her childhood in Bermondsey. Perhaps Kelly didn't know the full story.

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Hi Joshua,

There's no question that Kate was born in Wolverhampton, but she spent much of her childhood in Bermondsey. Perhaps Kelly didn't know the full story.

Gary
That makes sense, if she was only 1 when the family moved. I presume she spent enough time in London not to have a Midlands accent.
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