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Old 04-15-2012, 06:11 PM
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Which would appear to be the most logical explanation were it not for the fact that at least one newspaper, independently of Abberline, also made reference to 'Johnto'. I'm fairly sure that it was The Times, though I haven't as yet been able to locate it in the Press Reports. But I recall it distinctly because I wondered at the time whether the report had confused 'Johnto' with 'John too'.
And I would not doubt you Garry, but you will understand that this source needs to surface to help substantiate the claim one way or the other.

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I've just found this posted by a Wikipedia user who has "Jonto" as a user name:

OK - my name is not actually John, Johnny, or anything related. While written "Jonto", it should be pronounced "Janto" in a true Belfast accent!
Hi All,

I've done some more digging into this. The guy from whom the above is taken refers, in a link, to "spides" which are apparently the Belfast equivalent of the English "chav". I've also found this snippet on QI Talk Forum:

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"Hmm I have never heard that term in my life and I have lived in Belfast my whole life but as I am a teenager I am very familiar with the spide and millie culture. There is also jonto for a spide but it seems only to be a local term as in only my mates in a 1 mile radius use it. I don't use it though. People think it is quite funny that my sister was a millie and I a "hippie" ".
If this is relevant, it doesn't look like a particularly complimentary nickname.

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And I would not doubt you Garry, but you will understand that this source needs to surface to help substantiate the claim one way or the other.

Regards, Jon S.
But in the same vein, Jon: Is there any mention at all in the inquest reporting of Mary's brother being called anything by his comrades?

Also, if you look back at my earlier posts you will see I don't go with the 'Ianto' idea either, I also mentioned the pronunciation would be totally different for Abberline to have written it down as Johnto from Barnett's dictation, so I have no idea where you got the idea I was championing the 'Ianto' version over 'John too'.

In my posts, (and bless you Curious and hallelujah! Yes, that's kind of what I think I'm wondering about, thanks for noticing )I have been trying to explore the idea of the nickname being linked to a surname and have come across several examples of men with the surname Johnston nicknamed 'Jonto' or 'Janto'.

Bridewell, I mentioned the Belfast Millies and Jantos (chavs) a few pages back and wondered if like Millie, which is a 19th C,Northern Ireland but specifically Belfast term for a working class linen mill girl that has continued to present day, that Janto might also have a similar history in Belfastand have an older meaning or connection to something. Not found anything yet, but if you find anything relating to this I'd be interested in it , thanks.
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Hello Debs. Ah, now the light bulb has come on. You mean like the tradition where Smith becomes Smitty?

Makes sense.

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Bridewell, I mentioned the Belfast Millies and Jantos (chavs) a few pages back and wondered if like Millie, which is a 19th C,Northern Ireland but specifically Belfast term for a working class linen mill girl that has continued to present day, that Janto might also have a similar history in Belfastand have an older meaning or connection to something. Not found anything yet, but if you find anything relating to this I'd be interested in it , thanks.
Hi Debra,

Sorry. I obviously missed the post. Didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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And I would not doubt you Garry, but you will understand that this source needs to surface to help substantiate the claim one way or the other.
Agreed, Jon, but you can take it as read that it exists and is sitting in the Colindale archives for anyone who cares to look for it.
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Hi Debra,

Sorry. I obviously missed the post. Didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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But it's really not about anyone stealing anyone else's thunder, and if that's the way my post came across rather than genuinely wanting you to post anything further that you find seeing as you are obviously interested in the same line of research as me, then either there's a strange new breed of attitude afoot or I really do speak jibberish in my posts.
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Hello Debs. Ah, now the light bulb has come on. You mean like the tradition where Smith becomes Smitty?

Makes sense.

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Something like that, Lynn, kind of connected to military tradition maybe- Smith becomes Smudge, Clark is Nobby, Stride is Long even?
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Hi Debs

I think daylight is gradually dawning...

Now, to get to the crunch, the interesting question (and I just bet you've got an answer already!) how many Johnstons/Johnstones, and how many likely to be, say, London-based?

(I'd guess quite a few as, alas, it's not an uncommon name)

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Hello Debs. Thanks. That is quite plausible. Military lads and lasses are prone to do such.

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