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Old 09-22-2008, 03:07 PM
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I heard a story about a workman who was on duty near Mitre Square at 1.30 am, which would be only about 5 minutes before the murder.

He was approached by a well-dressed man who asked him if he had seen a man and woman going through the passage into Mitre Square.

I cannot find any reference to this sighting in the inquest report. Who was this workman, where did the story come from, and what might the workman have been working on near Mitre Square at that time in the morning? I hope someone can point me in the right direction?
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Old 09-22-2008, 03:13 PM
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you mean james blenkinsop?
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Old 09-22-2008, 03:16 PM
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Nell,

That'll be James Blenkin(g)sopp you are refering to. He was the watchman of some street alterations in nearby St James place (Orange Market).

Its possible the man he saw was a CID detective. As they were fanning out in the area at the time.

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Old 09-24-2008, 09:54 PM
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Hi Monty,
The night watchman was asked if he had seen 'A man and woman pass' indicating that he was looking for a couple.
The time was given as 130am, about the same time as a couple that has been alleged to have been Eddowes and possible killer, were seen by Mr Lawende and co.
As Eddowes was not killed at least for some minutes , the man asking the watchman the question, may or may not, have been looking for that couple.
And my suggestion is, as suggested by your good self. might have been a detective, but in my opinion had been deployed either to follow Eddowes from the station or had observed her en -route, being accosted by a man, proceeded to follow, but lost them as they reached the vacinity of Mitre square, hense the desperation.
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:35 PM
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I haven't got the book to hand but in 'Trial of George Chapman' the author states that Mitre Square was under surveillance that night by undercover policemen who had been under instructions to look out for couples.
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Hi Stephen
Is this the comment you're referring to?

Fifteen minutes later, at 1.45, a man found the body, with the throat cut and trunk mutilated, in the south-west corner of the square. As it happened that the police were that morning closely watching people entering the square in twos, it was surmised that the murderer and Eddowes entered separately and met inside.
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Im assuming this is a take on the White article.

Why would Eddowes be followed and why was Mitre square singled out for surveillance?

The police were ordered to pay attention to couples but in general, not in a specific location
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Hi Stephen
Is this the comment you're referring to?

Fifteen minutes later, at 1.45, a man found the body, with the throat cut and trunk mutilated, in the south-west corner of the square. As it happened that the police were that morning closely watching people entering the square in twos, it was surmised that the murderer and Eddowes entered separately and met inside.
Yes, that's it Chris (I just found the book).
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The police were ordered to pay attention to couples but in general, not in a specific location
Hi Monty,

Exactly. Mitre Square wouldn't have been singled out in any way until after the murder, which is undoubtedly what the article mentioned in the original post refers to. The book then confused the alleged (and dubious) White story with a Mitre Square stake out and paired it with a misunderstanding of the idea that the police were looking for couples in a specific spot instead of in general.

It's sad how many books get everything all twisted around, but I guess it's inevitable when it's so easy to do.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:14 AM
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Guess thats what happens when you take information reported years after the event at face value. Breeds confusion and misinformation.

My advice? Buy Evans and Skinners sourcebook and build from that.

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