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Old 06-27-2017, 10:30 AM
Steadmund Brand Steadmund Brand is offline
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Originally Posted by Ally View Post
Oh it's far more horrifying than you can imagine. She wasn't tried by a jury. She waived a jury trial and it was a strict conviction by a JUDGE. A JUDGE looked at this bullshit and found her guilty. Which honestly pisses me off any more. Her defense did the right thing in putting this before a judge thinking a judge would see that it was a bullshit trumped up charge ...and the judge went with emotion instead of law.

Honestly this trial was a freaking travesty. I would completely understand if the boys parents and family beat the living **** out of her and honestly, if I were on THAT jury I probably wouldn't convict, but the fact that a judge looked at this and went... yeah, involuntary manslaughter, that's the ticket. She talked him into dying, but didn't intend him to die....? Er, what now?

If this isn't overturned on appeal, let's just all move to Russia. Law has no meaning any more. Why bother pretending that it does....
I would say something like this HAS to be overturned by a higher court.... but I'm not that na´ve.....but I spent many, many years of my life trying to get the Lenny Bruce verdict overturned in NY ( we finally succeed but only after massive "celebrity" intervention) so I know how the "higher" courts can be.....

Steadmund Brand
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Old 06-27-2017, 12:04 PM
Abby Normal Abby Normal is offline
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shes a total scumbag. but the saying "if I told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?" comes to mind.
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but a dream within a dream?"

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quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

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Old 08-03-2017, 03:23 PM
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Sentence is 15 months (suspended during appeals) and probation. Frikkin' for real?
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:06 PM
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I think this is an interesting case, with a technological twist. She knew he was suicidal, encouraged him to kill himself, and kept silent about his death after she'd heard his last breaths via phone. She is guilty of something, certainly, but was her behavior direct enough to count as manslaughter?

Such a waste of two young lives.
It's more complicated than that. For several months, he threatened to commit suicide and she tried to convince him not. I guess there was a breaking point where she turned sociopath.
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Old 08-09-2017, 08:42 AM
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For me the critical part of this event was when he decided NOT to kill himself. He, I believe, even exited the truck and was trying to breathe and she talked him into going BACK into the truck to die. For me, this is the point where she becomes directly responsible for his death. I don't for a minute believe this was manslaughter, this was murder. She was absolutely aware that her actions would result in his death and she did it anyway.
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