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It must be borne in mind that long before The Vienna Hotel became part of the A6 investgation, Peter Alphon a.k.a. Frederick Durrant had been questioned in relation to the A6 investigation further to their plea for hotel managers, B&B's, etc., to report any odd behaviour by a guest. Hence the manager of The Alexandra Court reporting 'Durrant', who was interviewed and his real name obtained.

When the cartridge cases were found at The Vienna, and the name 'Durrant' found in the books, Acott must have thought all his Christmases had come at once; as far as he was concerned, once they'd collared Alphon/Durrant, it was all over, and Acott could add to his CV the solving of the A6 Murder. NickB is quite correct: it was Alphon the police effectively framed at first, via the pressure put on Nudds to 'agree' with their version of Alphon's movements and time-table.

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The armchair psychology that says Hanratty wanted to achieve power with a gun is probably best left in the armchair. Hanratty was a thief. Not a robber. A thief. He wanted money, not power.

In the same way a ‘flasher’ is not a rapist.
Although that did not stop some poor sod being hauled in for the appalling Rachel Nickell murder (1992) and deemed responsible for many years even after acquittal until the eventual culprit was caught. Eventually, after about 15 years, the police apologised. Not so difficult really, since Napper, I think his name was, had already given a full confession.

Why would Hanratty need to bandy words with a couple he had never met before? His conversation might have been sharp, but was certainly limited, so the whole enterprise is ridiculous. In theory, he just needed the car, according to the prosecution, to get his way back to London. Moste explains how this could have been done in a matter of minutes.

One overwhelming problem with the ‘Hanratty in the cornfield’ scenario is the quantity of ammunition. Whether the spare ammo was in a bag, as sometimes reported, or in his pockets, as I think Valerie Storie testified, the question has to be asked why he needed so much? He was not doing a James Cagney ‘You Dirty Cops’ shoot out so why did he need more than six shots? For a robbery in Taplow? It makes no sense. As little sense as him carrying this ammo on public transport.

Whoever the killer was, he was surely driven close to the point of engagement, be that a cornfield or Deadman’s Hill.
Just catching up - very slowly - with this thread, so apologies for dragging up this relatively old post from last July!

Hi cobalt,

The problem with seemingly motiveless acts of depravity, such as the A6 murder and rape, is that they should make no sense to the vast majority of decent folk. To the criminal mind of the man involved, sense didn't come into it, or he would have abandoned the idea of going to a cornfield armed with a deadly weapon, in favour of downing a pint or two at his local pub with a girlfriend.

To borrow from your own words, the armchair psychology that says Hanratty was not the type to go from thieving to experimenting with a gun [wasn't there evidence that he had asked about acquiring a firearm?] is probably best left in the armchair. Repeat offenders can and very often do progress from petty crimes of one nature to serious ones of another nature.

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In the same way a ‘flasher’ is not a rapist.
Really? A flasher is never going to progress to rape or worse?

Tell that to the families of Colin Pitchfork's victims:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Pitchfork

Pitchfork, a murderer and rapist, had a history of indecent exposure going back to his early teens and became the first person convicted of murder based on DNA evidence. He was sentenced to life back in 1988, yet I don't see anyone disputing the DNA findings that put him away, nor any psychologist claiming that as a 'flasher' he couldn't be a rapist.

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I believe the songstress Priscilla White, who suspiciously changed her name to Cilla Black, was also resident in the Scottie Road area and would have been able to shed considerable light on the A6 Murder if only she had been asked, which she does not seem to have been.

I believe that Black, or White if you prefer, had been married to the former England and Warwickshire quick bowler, Bob Willis, who also does not seem to have been interviewed by either Acott or Oxford.

Cilla was great chums with a popular music combo going under the style of "The Beatles". If you believe Wikipedia (which I don't ) then the Beatles were performing in Liverpool during the month of August 1961. Yet they do not seem to have had an engagement for 22nd August 1961. As they were later to sing in the little ditty Penny Lane, "Very strange."

So did Acott and/or Oxford question the Fab Three (the Fab Four minus Ringo who did not join the combo until 1962) and Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best about their involvement in the A6 job?
Hi Spitfire,

If not, they jolly well should have done, following the release of 'Happiness is a Warm Gun [bang bang shoot shoot etc]'. Coincidence? I think not.
And John Lennon once lived on Menlove Avenue - very strange - so they also missed a trick by not questioning him in connection with the murder of Julia Wallace in 1931. He even penned the song 'Julia' - even stranger. Not born then? Probably lied about his age, like Julia Wallace did.

Don't let Lennon's campaign on Hanratty's behalf fool you - a clever bluff if you ask me, by the man who knew too much.

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