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Old 01-18-2009, 08:55 PM
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Sigh, People really need to learn what libel is. First, it's not libel if it's true. Second, by the fact that Inklings are public businesses and that they are delinquent in payment, circumstances are irrelevant.

Dan owes people money and he owes them magazines. The circumstances are irrelevant, the reasons are irrelevant. He owes money and he owes magazines. And I can hardly see what circumstances would result that could now be "almost over" when the magazine is now 2 years behind in subscriptions. 8 magazines in the hole and circumstances are "almost over"?

He knows questions are being asked. He is choosing not to respond to them. He has no one to blame for this but himself.

Your personal circumstances don't mean diddly squat when you are in business and owe people money.
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Old 01-20-2009, 07:03 PM
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I will also express a personal opinion that, given the vindictiveness of some on these boards, they should be thankful that they are not facing libel (because a message board is essentially a print medium) suits for the way in which they are trying to damage RN/Inklings reputation...
Hi Craig,

In the light of your remark quoted above, I re-read all posts in this thread as well as in the thread Where is Dan? which you yourself initiated. For the sake of argument, would you be kind enough to identify the posts you consider as libellous?

For my part, I haven't found any post that can be described as libellous or "trying to damage RN/Inklings reputation..." On the contrary, I have found a lot of sympathy for Dan. Quite a few posters have tried to explain out his failure to respond to the concerns laid down in both threads and some have expressed their hope that if both magazine and publishing house close down Dan will nevertheless continue to be active in the field. No one has attacked Dan unduly and no lynch mob is anywhere in sight.

All that has happened in these threads is that authors who have entered into contracts with Dan to publish their books have neither received moneys due to them nor been given any explanation for Dan's failure to comply with his obligations. Indeed, they haven't been able even to contact Dan, let alone obtain a response from him. Other posters, among whom I am, have been waiting for years for long overdue copies of Ripper Notes . I stated very clearly that all I was asking for was a clarification whether Ripper Notes will continue publication within the foreseeable future or not. In either case, I am owed something - my copy of the magazine or its monetary value. I wouldn't even ask for interest, though if many magazines were paid for years ago and have not been delivered the accumulated interest might by now amount to a substantial sum.

With due respect, Craig, I fail to understand how expressing these concerns or commenting on them can be considered as libellous or designed to destroy a person or a firm's reputation.

Everybody knows how difficult it is to publish a quality magazine on a regular basis when the target audience is comparatively limited, as is the case with a Ripper magazine. The same can be said about important Ripper books. I doubt anybody can make real money from a Ripper magazine, book or conference. Therefore, if Dan currently has financial difficulties, he should come clean about them. I'm sure he would find sympathy and understanding both in these boards and in the world of Ripperolology at large and even assistance in finding a solution to his plight. If, on the other hand, his magazine and publishing firm are open for business as usual, it wouldn't cost him anything to make an appearance on these boards and respond to a few emails in order to reassure what I would call, for lack of a better name, his creditors. To continue not to address their concerns would not be the best course of action for him.

Incidentally, a message board such as this one is not a print medium.

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Old 01-30-2009, 12:30 PM
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I am another subscriber interested in finding out what is going on. I have yet to receive even one issue. So, can we please hear from Mr Norder what is happening to the publication or our money
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Old 01-30-2009, 06:28 PM
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It has been difficult to contact Dan lately but much of this seem to be due to the fact, as has already been alluded to, that his father was almost killed in a serious accident just before the holidays. Near tragedies like this tend to put perspective on life.

The last time I had contact with him, just after New Year, we discussed changes to my latest article (an important Tumblety related piece) as well as illustrations to go with it, along with other Ripper Notes business such as the need to contact people who had promised articles but had yet to deliver. Therefore the next issue is indeed being put together but unfortunately I cannot say exactly when it will come out.

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Old 01-30-2009, 08:27 PM
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My best wishes to Dan's father, Wolf.
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Old 01-31-2009, 02:00 AM
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It has been difficult to contact Dan lately but much of this seem to be due to the fact, as has already been alluded to, that his father was almost killed in a serious accident just before the holidays. Near tragedies like this tend to put perspective on life.
What a shame it wasn't made clear that this was the reason for the problems.

From what had been posted previously, I got the impression that it was something to do with someone not having passed on messages - or else Dan Norder trying to avoid unpleasant Casebook politics.

I am sure people would have been a lot more understanding if this near tragedy had been mentioned at the outset.
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Old 01-31-2009, 02:58 AM
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Chris, I had mentioned this in the 'WHERE'S DAN?' thread but I didn't state the exact circumstances because I didn't know if Dan didn't want people to know about his private life. The waiting on articles and avoiding Casebook politics particulars still hold true, but they are ancillary rather than principal.

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Old 01-31-2009, 03:11 AM
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Dear Phil & Wolf:

With all due respect to you two...and to anyone and everyone in the community who has issues which prevent them from responding to questions relative to Ripperology, I fail to see why Dan or Kelly have made any public attempt on their own to simply explain the demise of both the RN site and the RN-Extra site..and the subs owed to those who paid for the magazine.

Its not as if he is not present on AIM....unless someone nicked the screen name "dan norder" on that AOL function..
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:07 PM
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Hello everybody,

I should like to extend my best wishes to Dan for his father's prompt and full recovery.

That said, everybody has both a public and a private life. Neither should be neglected, but the proper balance should be established between them. In the present circumstances, it would appear that private priorities apparently preclude a public person - a businessman, in as far as he has accepted money in exchange for a product - from attending to his obligations. This is perhaps understandable, but an effort could have been made at least to reassure creditors - both subscribers and authors who are owed royalties. There is no need to disclose any aspect of anyone's private life. It would have been enough to say that some time away from business was needed to attend to urgent private matters and that more information will be available as soon as possible.

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Old 02-01-2009, 10:01 AM
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I became aware of this, and more, when Dan contacted me privately, and I posted a reassurance that there was a good reason for his silence.

I wasn't more specific because it's Dan's private life, not mine. Why would I break a confidence.

It's a bit convenient that some of the same parties who were ridiculing Dan are now offering condolences, but in the same breath saying, "Well, he still should have said something."

Try almost losing a parent sometime and see how much you want to deal with some "protected folks" on this board.

I've become less and less enamored of Casebook:JTR of late, given the libelous behavior of... and screw it, I'm just gonna drop the charade and name the name... Ally.

And sorry, Ally, but I've worked in publishing-related fields most of my professional life, including newspapers and I do know libel law. And you've done that here, because you think you can.

You're not merely "stating facts," you've posted quite a bit of your own opinion based on speculation and out-and-out hostility toward Dan and Ripper Notes. Enough that it would be quite easy to prove ILL INTENT and INTENT TO CAUSE HARM to RN, INKLINGS PRESS and Dan himself.

So get off your high-and-mighty hobby horse and be grateful Dan's not the litigious kind. If it were me, you wouldn't be so lucky.

And since Queen Mean will abuse her power and position once again and likely ban me for calling her out on her crap... I bid you all adieu. I don't need Casebook:JTR anyway... not what it's become.
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