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  • #16
    odd

    Hello Debs. Thanks. Curious. Mine indicated boot maker and living at home.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #17
      explosive topic

      Hello Dr. H. Hmm, perhaps we should look for explosions around 1880 there?

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • #18
        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        Hello Debs. Thanks. Curious. Mine indicated boot maker and living at home.

        Cheers.
        LC
        There were two born the same year and place, Lynn.
        One with a father named James, a cordwainer, one with a father named Richard, a gardener. The Scots Guard's father was named Richard.

        Here are the two different men in the 1871 index. By 1881, our man would be listed in London (or abroad) rather than Wales and his place of birth could simply be given as Wales, in that case.

        Household DAVIES, Edward 1857 4 M Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire
        Household DAVIES, Edward 1857 4 M Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire

        Edit: It looks like the Scots Guards were in Dublin 1880 through to July 81 at least.
        Last edited by Debra A; 05-05-2012, 07:45 PM.

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        • #19
          2 for the price of 1

          Hello Debs. Thanks.

          "There were two born the same year and place, Lynn."

          Hmm, double event, eh? (heh-heh)

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • #20
            A few more:


            First name(s): John JONES
            Calculated year of birth: 1855
            Parish of birth: Long Wynlais
            Town of birth: Cardiff
            County of birth: Glamorganshire
            Age at attestation: 21 years
            Attestation date: 17 July 1876
            Attestation corps: Scots Guards
            Attestation soldier number: 3619
            Next of kin-mother Anne, brother William, Caerphilly South Wales

            First name(s): Lewis JONES
            Calculated year of birth: 1869
            Parish of birth: Llandrchymedd
            Town of birth: Llandrchymedd
            County of birth: Anglesey
            Age at attestation: 18 years 8 months
            Attestation date: 28 September 1887
            Attestation corps: Scots Guards
            Attestation soldier number: 7790
            Next of kin-mother "Maria" [original has this name in inverted commas]

            Boyle,Roscommon,brother Patrick, ditto.

            First name(s): Humphrey MATTHEWS
            Calculated year of birth: 1857
            Parish of birth: Ystradowen
            Town of birth: Cowbridge
            County of birth: Glamorganshire
            Age at attestation: 21 years
            Attestation date: 9 September 1878
            Attestation corps: Scots Guards
            Attestation soldier number: 4618

            Next of kin-Morgan and Evan,brothers.

            First name(s): Griffith OWEN
            Calculated year of birth: 1857
            Parish of birth: Llanwrist
            Town of birth: Conway
            County of birth: Denbighshire
            Age at attestation: 19 years 3 months
            Attestation date: 29 December 1876
            Attestation corps: Scots Guards
            Attestation soldier number: 3839
            Next of kin- father ??? Owen

            First name(s): Herbert POWELL
            Calculated year of birth: 1865
            Parish of birth: Bryngwyn
            Town of birth: Raglan
            County of birth: Monmouthshire
            Age at attestation: 18 years 8 months
            Attestation date: 12 November 1883
            Attestation corps: Scots Guards
            Attestation soldier number: 5940
            Nextof kin-father William Powell, Llanrahangle, Torynrynydd(?), near Chepstow.

            I'm interested here why Lewis Jones' mother's name is "Maria," in inverted commas.

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            • #21
              First name(s): Joshua Hughes POWELL
              Calculated year of birth: 1863
              Parish of birth: Troryrawr
              Town of birth: Cardegan
              County of birth: Cardiganshire
              Age at attestation: 21 years 8 months
              Attestation date: 17 March 1884
              Attestation corps: Scots Guards
              Attestation soldier number: 6190
              next of kin-father David Powell, Cardigan

              First name(s): David ROSSER
              Calculated year of birth: 1860
              Parish of birth: Swansea
              Town of birth: Swansea
              County of birth: Glamorganshire
              Age at attestation: 18 years 7 months
              Attestation date: 19 June 1878
              Attestation corps: Scots Guards
              Attestation soldier number: 4546
              Next of kin-father, David Rosser

              First name(s): Michael SHEERAN
              Calculated year of birth: 1858
              Parish of birth: Bangor
              Town of birth: Bangor
              County of birth: Caernarvonshire
              Age at attestation: 19 years 11 months
              Attestation date: 2 June 1877
              Attestation corps: Scots Guards
              Attestation soldier number: 4106
              Next of kin-wife Clara Sheeran

              First name(s): John Henry SIMON
              Calculated year of birth: 1864
              Parish of birth: Ruthin
              Town of birth: Ruthin
              County of birth: Denbighshire
              Age at attestation: 23 years 4 months
              Attestation date: 10 August 1887
              Attestation corps: Scots Guards
              Attestation soldier number: 7696
              Nextof kin-father John, Ruthin, brother William, London

              First name(s): William WARMAN
              Calculated year of birth: 1869
              Parish of birth: Canton
              Town of birth: Cardiff
              County of birth: Glamorganshire
              Age at attestation: 18 years 1 months
              Attestation date: 20 July 1887
              Attestation corps: Scots Guards
              Attestation soldier number: 7628
              Next of kin-mother Sarah Warman, Canton,Cardiff

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              • #22
                last lot

                First name(s): Charles WILLIAMS
                Calculated year of birth: 1865
                Parish of birth: Abergavenny
                Town of birth:
                County of birth: Monmouthshire
                Age at attestation: 35 years 6 months
                Attestation date: 21 May 1900
                Attestation corps: Scots Guards
                Attestation soldier number: 3413

                First name(s): Samuel WILLIAMS
                Calculated year of birth: 1863
                Parish of birth: Aberdare
                Town of birth: Aberdare
                County of birth: Glamorganshire
                Age at attestation: 24 years 1 months
                Attestation date: 20 July 1887
                Attestation corps: Scots Guards
                Attestation soldier number: 7629
                Next of kin-8 Humphrey Street,Aberdare

                First name(s): Thomas WILLIAMS
                Calculated year of birth: 1862
                Parish of birth: Swansea
                Town of birth: Swansea
                County of birth: Glamorganshire
                Age at attestation: 22 years 4 months
                Attestation date: 13 June 1884
                Attestation corps: Scots Guards
                Attestation soldier number: 6414
                Next of kin-Thomas Williams, uncle,Ravenhill near Swansea Glamorgan
                wife,Rachel, 2 Richard Street ? Swansea

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                • #23
                  Daltons

                  Originally posted by DrHopper View Post
                  Ha!
                  Just had a brief glance at Llantarnam and a look at Foundry Row - and found this



                  The mention of both Kelly and Davies living on the same row (albeit decades later), and the connection to iron working, really ring some bells...

                  I suggest that this is an area in which we perhaps should be concentrating our efforts!
                  Hi All,

                  I'm having a real job finding the same Dalton family in the 1881 census. It looks, at the moment, as though they may have spread out. The only Irish-born James of about the right age to be the soldier's father is serving as an Able Seaman on the "Lisbon" at Liverpool. Nicholas (assuming it is the same one) is an inmate in the Joint Counties Lunatic Asylum in Abergavenny. The younger James is, I think, a Boy 1st Class on HMS Cambridge. I'm still looking for William, Thomas himself & Margaret, who is definitely listed as a daughter of James (Senior) in 1871, but last in the list of children.

                  Regards, Bridewell.
                  I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                  • #24
                    Hi All,

                    Further to the above, the only Margaret Dalton I can find, of the right age and in Wales, is working as a General Servant at the Boar's Head Hotel in Swansea in 1881. The licensee's wife, Hannah M Downay, is shown as born in Carmarthenshire, but Margaret Dalton as Swansea-born. An error?

                    Addition: Ancestry doesn't help with any detail, unfortunately, but there was a Margaret Dalton who married, in the 3rd quarter of 1882 - in Limerick.


                    Regards, Bridewell.
                    Last edited by Bridewell; 05-06-2012, 07:59 PM. Reason: Addition
                    I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                    • #25
                      Even further (!):

                      Hi All,

                      I haven't found the Mary Ann Dalton who was 16 in 1871, unless, in 1881, she's lying about her age and is the 18-year-old nursemaid living at 9, John St, Llanelli, Carmarthenshire, employed by an accountant named Henry Pascoe. It seems improbable, but the next family on the census list is called Davies, which I thought worth noting.

                      Regards, Bridewell.
                      I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                      • #26
                        Even further (!):

                        Hi All,

                        James Dalton (Senior) is back in Llantarnam in 1891, aged 63 & living with a Hannah Clement (48). His place of birth is Whitchurch, Ireland.

                        This was promising at first, but I don't think it's Dalton. One down - a shedload to go!

                        Regards, Bridewell.
                        Last edited by Bridewell; 05-06-2012, 09:31 PM.
                        I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                        • #27
                          2 sheds

                          Hello Colin. Umm, perhaps that's "two sheds"? (heh-heh)

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • #28
                            Hi Debs et al,

                            I don't think it's Dalton. Harries doesn't look promising either as the only sister is a bit old, called Elizabeth & born in Wales also.

                            I'll try John Henry SIMON now, unless someone else is already tackling that:

                            Re SIMON: father is John too (!) but there's no Irish connection and no sister close enough in age to be a likely MJK

                            Will try BEEDLES.

                            Regards, Bridewell.
                            Last edited by Bridewell; 05-06-2012, 10:08 PM.
                            I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                            • #29
                              Re BEEDLES:

                              There are a couple of possibles in Berriew, presumably the same extended family. There isn't any Irish connection that I can find, although there is a Mary Jane. She's only 14, though, in 1881, so probably too young? She has 4 brothers living at home, and two sisters. Looks as though she got married in 1890 though, so I think she's out.

                              Regards, Bridewell.
                              I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
                                Hi Debs et al,

                                I don't think it's Dalton. Harries doesn't look promising either as the only sister is a bit old, called Elizabeth & born in Wales also.

                                I'll try John Henry SIMON now, unless someone else is already tackling that:

                                Re SIMON: father is John too (!) but there's no Irish connection and no sister close enough in age to be a likely MJK

                                Will try BEEDLES.

                                Regards, Bridewell.
                                Hi Bridewell.
                                Thanks for all your hard work with these!
                                I had the same problems you did with the Daltons when I tried to have a look for them in 1881 after your plea. I have a feeling that since you found James Snr. was still around in 1891, it may be that the details of the family (those still living as a family unit) were mis-transcribed in 1881 (wrong surname) or that the page they appear on was damaged, lost or destroyed. It just seems odd that they all went missing in 81.

                                I'll help out with a few later today. I'll start with Jones and that list section if you haven't already done any of those?

                                I'm also interested in any that you look into who are definitely untraceable in any of the records and may have given a false name. Just to see the extent to which this happened with soldiers.

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