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Thanks everyone - I guess this was just a simple mistake on a web-site but it's good to know someone is out there to help.
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Thanks everyone - I guess this was just a simple mistake on a web-site but it's good to know someone is out there to help.
In the 1881 census, at 15, Holt Road in the West Derby area of Liverpool, there's a Lawrence Davies (19) who's a "Servant Dairyman" to a "Cow Keeper". Just above him in the list is Bridget O'Connor (21) who is a "Dom Serv. Dairymaid" born in Ireland.

"Lawrence" "Davies" "Cattle" "Ireland" match but "21" "Liverpool" "Bridget" & "O'Connor" don't of course!

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Did MJK have a relationship with a man who was a drover? The suggestion surfaces in a number of reports, most notably in the interview with Mrs Hewitt.

I find it hard to accept that Joe Barnett was ever a drover. An orange seller, yes, the Cockney Irish were heavily involved in that trade; a Billingsgate porter, yes, humping boxes and baskets of fish about. But a drover? How would an East End boy have got into that game?

Unless I'm misunderstanding the occupation being described, we are talking about experienced men bringing valuable livestock from the provinces into London to be sold at market or shipped to the continent. How would Joe have got a job like that? What farmer would have entrusted his stock to a Cockney lodging house dweller?

It would make more sense if MJK had one relationship with a man who was an orange seller and market porter and another with a drover, rather than a single relationship with a man who had all three occupations.
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So many questions about MJK's life and I think it safe to assume her accounts were embellished or included lies. But many who lie have a kernel of truth within the lie. I wonder if MJK did.

For instance she claimed to have married someone called Davies in 1879 who was killed in a coal mine explosion a couple of years later. There was a coal mine explosion in Wales in July 1880 where 120 souls were lost. Two with the name Davies, one born in 1846 (William) and one born in 1862 (James). James would likely be the best bet for a husband - however he was single. William was married but I have yet to check to whom and her age. William would have been 33 when MJK says she married, she would have been about 17.

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