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And I have solved the Wallace Case...

No response as expected.

I also forgot to mention....we can now add yet another way that this ‘brilliant’ plan could have fallen.

Beattie: “ he asked for your address.”

Wallace: “ why would he ask for my address then ask that I go to see him? Sounds suspicious to me Mr Beattie?”

Beattie: “ very suspicious Mr Wallace.”

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Also, it certainly didn’t end up making the police think “well it was someone that didn’t know where Wallace lived” because they suspected that it was Wallace himself.

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Would Parry have asked this question and faced the very serious risk of the plan crumbling? Of course not. Serious risk for no gain.

Alternatively, does this question fit in with Wallace? Absolutely 100%.

Firstly, it makes him sound authentic.......’ok if you can’t give me his address can you get him to come and see me please?’

Secondly, only Wallace could ask this question at no risk to himself because he knew that no one at the club knew his address. And just to make it fit better, only he knew that his best friend Caird (the only one that knew his address) wouldn’t have arrived at the club yet.

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And then there are the doors....

Wallace arrives home. He tries the front door but it won’t open. He then tries the back door - same result. Same again with the front door again then around to the back where he finally gets in with the Johnston’s present.

Now, I can’t recall anywhere where Wallace said that he was often apparently locked out. They did find slight faults with the locks but these were locks that Wallace used each day and several times.

So what are we being asked to believe? That two locks deteriorated so badly, in the space of time between Wallace leaving for Menlove Gardens East and his return, that he couldn’t open the doors? This is asking a lot surely.

Or is there more likely reason....or two?

1. Wallace was going from door to door hoping to draw attention to himself returning from his trip. Luckily the Johnston’s turned up.

2. He was trying to give the impression that Julia’s killer was still in the house. It was said that Wallace even suggested this to a police officer but he later denied doing so.

I think that a combination of both is likely. Certainly likelier than synchronised lock failure.
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And then there are the doors....

Wallace arrives home. He tries the front door but it won’t open. He then tries the back door - same result. Same again with the front door again then around to the back where he finally gets in with the Johnston’s present.

Now, I can’t recall anywhere where Wallace said that he was often apparently locked out. They did find slight faults with the locks but these were locks that Wallace used each day and several times.

So what are we being asked to believe? That two locks deteriorated so badly, in the space of time between Wallace leaving for Menlove Gardens East and his return, that he couldn’t open the doors? This is asking a lot surely.

Or is there more likely reason....or two?

1. Wallace was going from door to door hoping to draw attention to himself returning from his trip. Luckily the Johnston’s turned up.

2. He was trying to give the impression that Julia’s killer was still in the house. It was said that Wallace even suggested this to a police officer but he later denied doing so.

I think that a combination of both is likely. Certainly likelier than synchronised lock failure.
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I know nothing about this case. But killers of family members, in their own home, will often plan things out and do things that make sure that someone else finds the body, or that someone is with them when they find the body.
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They often do, Abby, but in this case...
"...his meeting with the Johnstons was entirely fortuitous, and could not have entered into his calculations one way or the other."
Dorothy L. Sayers, in The Anatomy of Murder, 1936
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They often do, Abby, but in this case...
"...his meeting with the Johnstons was entirely fortuitous, and could not have entered into his calculations one way or the other."
Dorothy L. Sayers, in The Anatomy of Murder, 1936
hi Rod
yes very fortuitous, especially if he was the killer. and if he was and they hadn't showed up, his next step was probably to get help.
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Poor old Wallace just can't win, then...

Thankfully we have intelligent judges who understand the difference between evidence and prejudice, and we also have some fair-minded detective authors...
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A bit of misinformation going on here again...unsurprisingly.

No one is suggesting that Wallace planned for the Johnston’s to be there as he couldn’t possibly have known that they were going out that night. But by going back and forth, knocking twice at the front door and twice at the back, Wallace might have hoped to have drawn attention to himself and his situation. Maybe a neighbour simply saying ‘is everything ok Mr Wallace?’ After all there were neighbours both sides (even someone who might have been watching from across the road. Wallace had nothing to lose by this, he was under no time pressure. It was easily worth a try. Fortunately the Johnston’s were going out that night and so could witness his entry and his ‘problems’ getting in.

What we are asked to believe though by those allegedly being ‘reasonable’ and ‘unbiased’ is that both doors to Wallace’s house suddenly decided to malfunction between the time that Wallace left the house and the time that he returned.
A period of 2 hours. Wallace couldn’t have been ‘unable’ to get in before because he became ‘suspicious’ when he couldn’t get in on the night of the murder.
If Wallace was trying to give the impression that the killer was still inside the house then of course it had to be the back door that eventually opened allowing it to be suggested that the killer then escaped via the front door. This couldn’t have been suggested of course if he’d eventually have gotten in via the front door as the Johnston’s were at the back door and would have seen the ‘killer’ escape.
It borders remarkable how much wriggling is done to exonerate Wallace
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Who now even refuse to debate on the same thread as you.
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I know nothing about this case. But killers of family members, in their own home, will often plan things out and do things that make sure that someone else finds the body, or that someone is with them when they find the body.
Hi Abby,

They certainly do. Wallace had spent his journey to the fictitious Menlove Gardens East pestering and badgering conductors and inspectors. Telling people that he was a complete stranger in the area when he wasn’t just so that he would be noticed and remembered. So his actions when he returned home are completely in line with that.
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They certainly do. Wallace had spent his journey to the fictitious Menlove Gardens East pestering and badgering conductors and inspectors. Telling people that he was a complete stranger in the area when he wasn’t just so that he would be noticed and remembered. So his actions when he returned home are completely in line with that.
absolutely-planned murder alibi establishing 101
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