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Old 11-15-2018, 12:53 AM
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things they didn't have back then, which leads me to believe that the ripper was probably on there radar at some point.they just didn't have enough info to catch.
Abby,who says Cross was ever on the police radar as a suspect? I don't recall him being suspected by any Police officer ever [unlike Sutcliffe]. I wonder why that is.
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Old 11-15-2018, 12:55 AM
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Why not? Perhaps he didn't want the name linked with such a sordid event. He, or his old Ma.
That doesn't gel if he murdered Nichols.

It works if he didn't.
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Old 11-15-2018, 12:58 AM
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Your killer would have accepted ten minutes walking on the streets. Mine would have accepted twenty.

There really is no material difference - ten minutes and twenty minutes are both very long times to walk the streets after a murder, and anyone who does that has accepted to take that kind of risk.
Except it is a half hour walk home for Cross from Aldgate [and that is not including the half hour he could have been hanging around]. How long do you give the killer to be out and about with a bloody knife and Kidney?
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That doesn't gel if he murdered Nichols.

It works if he didn't.
Not with you.

If he didn't kill Nichols, there's a possible reason why he might have deliberately avoided using the name Lechmere.

If he did kill her, that same reason might still apply, but another, even more crucial reason might pertain.
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:07 AM
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Or have you come around to realizing that there was basically no people at all on the small streets of Spitalfields at these hours?

In any case, I don´t think that I have seen a single report of PC:s searching the dwellers of the East End or read about such measures being taken.
Yet we have an example of a dark thoroughfare [Bucks Row], which people were averse to going down in the small hours, being traversed by two people in a matter of minutes.

What about the house to house inquiry? Yes, they didn't search the dwellings but that's not for the want of trying. Anderson - if we had the same powers as the French police force etc.
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If he did kill her, that same reason might still apply, but another, even more crucial reason might pertain.
It doesn't logically work. He wants to keep his identity out of the paper in your view... but he waits for a witness to come to up to him from down the other end of Buck's row in the dark and ends up being identified and reports his name to an officer?

Do you not see the contradiction of motives here? He goes from waiting around to be identified when he need not have to do so and then a few minutes later is avoiding being identified by not giving details in a suspicious way (according to you)?
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Also, I have yet to see addressed the problem that he was re-visiting the scene of the crimes daily at the hour they died.

The model doesn't have him just going passed Buck's Row, Hanbury St., and Dorset St., once, but doing so on a daily bases at the same hour the women were murdered.

Yet over the weeks investigating, not a single one of them notices this person at all 3 sites, at the right hours?
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Keeping the name Lechmere out of the papers would not have hidden the identity of the man who found Nichols body,because that man made himself known to both the press and the authorities,and could easily have been located by the police at his home or at work.Whatever the intent,the use of the name Cross does not ,in any way,show Cross was the person who killed Nichols.

If a person has an exclusive claim of being the only one to match a particular charasteristic,such as Charles Cross access to the ripper murder sites,then the person/persons making that claim,has the responsibility to justify that claim,by showing that only that person,to the exclusion of all others,possessed that exclusive element.

So far he has been matched against a few individuals.A few hundred thousand still to go.
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Abby,who says Cross was ever on the police radar as a suspect? I don't recall him being suspected by any Police officer ever [unlike Sutcliffe]. I wonder why that is.
Hi DK
Me and sam were talking in general terms.
Because he was never a suspect.
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Also, I have yet to see addressed the problem that he was re-visiting the scene of the crimes daily at the hour they died.

The model doesn't have him just going passed Buck's Row, Hanbury St., and Dorset St., once, but doing so on a daily bases at the same hour the women were murdered.

Yet over the weeks investigating, not a single one of them notices this person at all 3 sites, at the right hours?
So what are you suggesting, that the early morning journey via Buck’s Row and Hanbury Street was a one-off? That he didn’t live in Doveton Street or work at Broad Street? He must have done, surely.

Of course we don’t know whether he had the same start time every morning, picking up goods from the same train each day, but he didn’t have much in the way of alternative routes from home to work that didn’t bring him close to the murder sites.
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