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Old 09-11-2011, 09:12 AM
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The holocaust and other obscenities cause us to identify and label any vaguely critical comment about the Jews as anti-Semitic, or any anti-immigrant argument as racist.
I agree with that. When I wrote about the definitions in my above post I tried to keep it simple and stick to the late 19th/Early 20th C. usage of the terms.

For example, the term "Zionism" today has so many additional meanings and subdivisions- there's Liberal Zionism, Religious Zionism, Secular Zionism, Nationalist Zionism, Black Zionism, even Green Zionism!

(I'm not sure if there is Anti-Green-Zionism though. )

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As far as I understand it, Anderson believed that the restoration of the Jews to Palestine had to happen before the Second Coming prophesied in the Book of Daniel could take place. I assume he was therefore pro-Zionist.
Hi Paul. Thanks, that makes sense. One of the most fascinating books I've ever read is about the conflicting visions for Jerusalem, the Middle East, and even competing visions of Apocalyptic Doom between Jews, Christians and Muslims, and how they all collide at Jerusalem's Temple Mount.

It's by Gershom Gorenberg and is titled 'The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount'.

Some Fundamentalists are actually trying to "speed things up" as far as the Apocalypse goes- many of them actually want to help facilitate it by helping to fulfill what they regard as the necessary preconditions for the Apocalypse and the subsequent Second Coming of Christ. (I guess they think God is taking too long.)

Anyway, it's not Ripper-related, but I highly recommend this book.

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What do you mean, Phil?

That they believed in Christ? They read the bible?

This thread, consisting of a bunch of twenty first century atheists discussing Anderson's theological writings, is hilarious. Just the whole idea of this thread is hilarious.

Roy

The best post of the thread. I do find it weird when modern non religious posters are critical of Anderson religious beliefs. Particularly when these beliefs are attacked so flippantly.

The same can be said of his dealings with a huge influx of foreign low-class Jews. As if we can tell what that situation would be like for the police of the time. And defending Anderson's Jewish criticism without sounding like Hitler.
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Hello Jason,

1) Try reading my reply as to my religious beliefs or nay

2) Try reading Anderson's theological stuff yourself. At least I have attempted it


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Hello Bunny. Right you are about Zionism. In the late 1940's, many Orthodox Jews insisted that ONLY the Messiah could lead Jews back to the Holy Land. Hence, the secular efforts were not considered legitimate.

And again you are correct that Zionism was debated hotly before the turn of the century. Most Socialists/Anarchists were opposed, but a few backed the notion. (I think Rocker discusses this in his book.)

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Hi Paul. Thanks, that makes sense. One of the most fascinating books I've ever read is about the conflicting visions for Jerusalem, the Middle East, and even competing visions of Apocalyptic Doom between Jews, Christians and Muslims, and how they all collide at Jerusalem's Temple Mount.

It's by Gershom Gorenberg and is titled 'The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount'.

Some Fundamentalists are actually trying to "speed things up" as far as the Apocalypse goes- many of them actually want to help facilitate it by helping to fulfill what they regard as the necessary preconditions for the Apocalypse and the subsequent Second Coming of Christ. (I guess they think God is taking too long.)

Anyway, it's not Ripper-related, but I highly recommend this book.

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As you recommend it so highly it must be worth reading. I'll try and get a copy from ABE.
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Hello Jason,

1) Try reading my reply as to my religious beliefs or nay

2) Try reading Anderson's theological stuff yourself. At least I have attempted it


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Phil

My quote wasnt necessarily directed at you Phil, apologies if you thought it was. We do have certain posters on casebook who are openly hostile to Anderson's religious beliefs. All variations of Christianity (particularly protestantism) amongst upper class Victorians being open to nothing but contempt by some people.
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Hello Jason,

Apologies accepted.. it was just you re-quoted something that was directly quoting me, that's why. No harm done :-)

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