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Old 02-04-2017, 06:53 AM
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Hold on, David, where did I suggest that Mike may have 'thought all Victorian diaries were identical'? What on earth would have been the point of ordering one to see if 'the' diary was typical if he already believed they all looked the same and that his was no exception?

Whether he was hoping for a diary in which to write out the prepared draft of the forgery, or was just curious to know how closely 'the' diary might compare with someone's actual personal diary from the 1880s, the little red diary was not physically like anything he would have been hoping to see. . .
My guess is Mike sensed that the existing Diary that had come into his hands looked "wrong" because it wasn't like modern diaries. So he wanted to know what typical Victorian diaries were like.

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Old 02-04-2017, 07:45 AM
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My guess is Mike sensed that the existing Diary that had come into his hands looked "wrong" because it wasn't like modern diaries. So he wanted to know what typical Victorian diaries were like.
Leaving aside that this meant that by acquiring a single diary he must have thought he would know what "typical" Victorian diaries were like, why did the advertisement specify a requirement of a minimum of 20 blank pages (up to a maximum of 100% blank pages)?
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:55 AM
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Leaving aside that this meant that by acquiring a single diary he must have thought he would know what "typical" Victorian diaries were like, why did the advertisement specify a requirement of a minimum of 20 blank pages (up to a maximum of 100% blank pages)?
Well he could have thought that he might transfer the Diary text into the purchased Victorian diary because it would look more authentic or reassuring than if it were written, as it is now, in a Victorian photographs album or commonplace book, which looks odd and unnatural, for a "diary."

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Well he could have thought that he might transfer the Diary text into the purchased Victorian diary because it would look more authentic or reassuring than if it were written, as it is now, in a Victorian photographs album or commonplace book, which looks odd and unnatural, for a "diary."
But you've now added a new and different reason as to why he wanted the diary which you didn't mention before!

As for that new reason, I'm afraid I don't understand it. How would the text look "more authentic and reassuring" if HE wrote it out, unless you are saying he was proposing to copy the Victorian style handwriting in the Diary (i.e. create a forgery)?

How would it look "more authentic and reassuring" in a partly used diary containing some other random person's handwritten diary entries? (or was he intending to cut out those pages do you think?)

And who was he intending to show this "more authentic and reassuring" diary to?

What was he intending to do with it? Pass it off as the genuine Diary?
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:38 AM
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Caz is right. You don't give up, do you?

What I am saying is that Mike sensed he had something important in his hands that tied James Maybrick to the famous Ripper murders. But the book that the Diary text was written in didn't look right. So he thought he might have to re-present it to the world in a different format to make that mint of money that he sensed he might be able to make if he sold it to the right person in London. Got it now?
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This thread is now almost as entertaining as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

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Caz is right. You don't give up, do you?
I must admit Chris, I don't recall her saying that. But in fairness to me, it has to be said that you gave one reason for Mike acquiring the diary then, when I asked you about that, you gave me a second, wholly different reason - so I'm not sure how you categorise me as 'not giving up' when all I've done is ask you some questions about that new reason in a single post.

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What I am saying is that Mike sensed he had something important in his hands that tied James Maybrick to the famous Ripper murders. But the book that the Diary text was written in didn't look right. So he thought he might have to re-present it to the world in a different format to make that mint of money that he sensed he might be able to make if he sold it to the right person in London. Got it now?
No, I'm afraid I haven't 'got it' Chris because you didn't answer any of my questions.

Critically, was he intending to write it out in his own handwriting or attempt to copy the style of handwriting of in the Diary?

And if you are saying that he was proposing to sell a forgery to the world, why doesn't the notion that he simply forged the one that he did give to Doreen appeal to you?
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This thread is now almost as entertaining as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

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This thread is now almost as entertaining as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

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Can I suggest that Graham didn't make this post during my lengthy arguments with Caz but waited like a hunter until I commenced a brief argument with a new person (Chris George) and then he pounced rapidly with his silly link?

The obvious reason being that if he does it with me and Caz it seems like as much an insult to Caz as me but with me and Chris it's fine, funny and ha ha!

However, the fact is that I'm not here to 'entertain' Graham - if he wants to be entertained then dig out the Monty Python box set - but to discuss the issues relating to the Diary which are unfortunately pretty dull but then why would you be even reading this thread if you find it a boring subject?
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